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Faith 
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Message 119 of 153 (778051)
02-15-2016 11:56 AM


Your Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: 1.0
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.1

  
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Message 132 of 153 (778124)
02-17-2016 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 131 by NoNukes
02-17-2016 4:03 AM


Re: Testing the Test
They couldn't have tested the Republican candidates either, right? When you look at some of the questions it's hard for me to imagine any of them scoring that high on the "wacko" element. Maybe not hard for some here to imagine, but very hard for me to imagine.
I expected to score a lot higher on the Right than I did, and am surprised I came out so far from those Republicans. That could be due to the fact that many of those ARE wacko questions that don't describe many on the Right. I don't think I've been peer-pressured more toward the Left, or if so I would think it would be a very minor effect on such a test, I would just have expected to line up more with, say, Cruz, and I didn't. I think they must have taken a few quotes from them here and there and invented all the rest to make up their "score" on their test.
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Faith 
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Message 135 of 153 (778134)
02-17-2016 1:22 PM
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02-17-2016 12:30 PM


Re: Testing the Test
Of course we disagree on this. If you were right about how the Republicans would score, then I should have scored up there with them and I didn't.

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Message 136 of 153 (778135)
02-17-2016 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by Blue Jay
02-17-2016 12:39 PM


Re: Testing the Test
I think one big issue is that they define "Left" and "Right" in an unorthodox way,
I wouldn't know where to begin to sort it out but I think you're right that there's something very wrong with their definitions. I suspect they lean Left and have the usual distorted view of the Right.

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Message 138 of 153 (778164)
02-17-2016 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by NoNukes
02-17-2016 4:27 PM


Re: Testing the Test
Did Percy put those markers for the Republican candidates on the chart he posted? Trump, Rubio, Cruz, Bush in the far upper right corner of the chart? I thought those were part of the test-makers illustration of the test.
I just went back and read Percy's post, and clearly he is trying to find out what they would have had to have done on the test to get those scores, so the scores were already given.
That's what I'm talking about. My own scores are at 1 and .1, far from those in the upper right corner. If Percy placed those markers, then I apologize, I misunderstood, but it doesn't read to me as if he did.
So those scores were presented as fairly representing those four candidates, and not by Percy. So when you said you agreed that Cruz would score as presented on that chart, you were agreeing with the makers of the test, and my point was that if that score fairly represented Cruz then I should have scored up there with him. Or even if you were agreeing with Percy's assessment of Cruz if it were correct my score should have been up there with his.
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Faith 
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Message 141 of 153 (778224)
02-18-2016 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by NoNukes
02-18-2016 10:36 AM


Re: Testing the Test
What you are saying is so absurd I haven't a clue where you are getting it. I'll try one more time to explain it.
That's what I'm talking about. My own scores are at 1 and .1, far from those in the upper right corner.
I don't believe it is possible to answer the questions Percy selected in a way consistent with what Ted Cruz says and still get a (1, 0.1).
OF COURSE NOT. What an absurd idea. Why would you think I meant anything like that?
Your claim is that you are just like the Republican candidates and thus the test is wrong.
NO THAT IS NOT MY CLAIM. My "claim" was, which wasn't a "claim" anyway, is that I'd have expected to score much closer to them than I did because I thought I shared most of their views. BUT THAT DOESN'T CALL THE TEST INTO QUESTION, it only calls into question the guesses as to where they would have scored by whoever made up the test.
The conclusion would be that in reality THEY WOULD HAVE SCORED CLOSER TO THE SCORES I GOT, not the other way around. And if anything calls the test into question that does.
I'm saying that such a thing is impossible. The Republican candidates are not even all alike.
OF COURSE THEY AREN'T BUT IF THE TEST MAKERS GUESSED AT THOSE SCORES FOR THEM rather than Percy's having produced them from his test of the test, then SOMEBODY thinks they reflect their views.
Didn't YOU say that you think Cruz's score in the upper right hand corner is probably accurate for him? No matter who put it there or guessed it there or whatever? You guessed it would be a pretty accurate reflection of his views and how he would score on the test? Didn't you say that?
That being the case, and since I would expect to have scored much closer to Cruz and the other Republicans than is reflected on the chart, which some consider to be a good guess at their true positions, doesn't that show that the guesses must be wrong whoever made them? Whether the test inventors put them there or Percy did and you agreed at least about where Cruz's was placed?
Unless you see the truth of what I am saying here PLEASE DO NOT ANSWER. I'm tired of getting an ulcer from your weird ways of misconstruing my posts.
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Faith 
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Message 145 of 153 (778235)
02-18-2016 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 144 by Percy
02-18-2016 1:27 PM


Re: Testing the Test
The chart comes from the test's website, RAZD included it one of his posts, too: The Political Compass
Without commenting on the test's validity or accuracy, I think the website's creators have skewed all the candidates results upward and to the right. It you read the text on the page, they even challenge Bernie Sanders credentials as politically left and Libertarian. My guess is that they never tried to approximate how the various candidates would have answered their test questions, but that they just plopped the candidates down on their chart where they felt they belonged.
Or to put it enough way, when one is to the left of Karl Marx and more Libertarian than Howard Stern, everyone looks conservative.
Thank you very much. That is what I thought and I don't know why NoNukes keeps imputing the scores on the chart to you, or questioning why I think those scores imputed to the Republicans must be wrong because I would expect to have scored closer to them than I did.
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Faith 
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Message 147 of 153 (778238)
02-18-2016 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by NoNukes
02-18-2016 2:17 PM


Re: Testing the Test
OK and I apologized many posts ago if I had misunderstood you on that. But the main point is that if the test makers made up those scores for the Republicans then their guess was wrong as shown by my not scoring anywhere near them -- because I know my beliefs are compatible with many of them and at least Cruz's.
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Faith 
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Message 150 of 153 (778245)
02-18-2016 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by caffeine
02-18-2016 2:50 PM


Re: Testing the Test
The way they define left and right is not particularly strange or unorthodox, they just seem so from an American perspective.
Mostly from the conservative side I'm sure.
Defining the left/right divide in primarily economic terms is fairly standard in the study of politics in Europe
Meaning Marxist terms.
(it gets confusing, of course, since 'far right' is agreed by convention to mean racist nationalism, which in some instances is not very economically right at all).
Agreed by LIBERAL convention I would say, in other words by the procrustean and oppressive standards of political correctness.

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Faith 
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Message 153 of 153 (800908)
03-01-2017 9:09 PM


I see this is one of those where I scored very close to the center: Message 119

  
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