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NoNukes
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Message 128 of 153 (778103)
02-16-2016 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by New Cat's Eye
02-16-2016 10:59 AM


Re: Testing the Test
Try a strongly disagree on that one; hard-core Christians know that Astrology comes from Satan.
Maybe, but that reasoning did not stop Nancy Ronald from consulting charts during Ronald's presidency.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 129 of 153 (778105)
02-16-2016 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Percy
02-16-2016 9:23 AM


Re: Testing the Test
but Hillary is pretty far into that quadrant, too.
Hillary may be in that quadrant, but I don't believe she would answer most (or at least many) of those questions as indicated in your post. In particular, the questions about sex, abortion, segregation, homosexuality, and taxes don't jibe with what she says during campaign speeches, and I'm not going to speculate on how sincere she is about what she says.
So where do you get Ms. Clinton's score from? If your position is accurate, there must be other ways to be authoritarian other than by giving your answers. If true, I think that undercuts the point of your post.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 131 of 153 (778121)
02-17-2016 4:03 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by Percy
02-16-2016 5:31 PM


Re: Testing the Test
I think you're right to question that website's charting of the candidates views. Shifting them all by around -5/-5 might be closer to the truth.
Maybe her position is correctly charted, but I doubt that the website has had Clinton answer their quiz or that they have correctly plotted how she would have answered their quiz. They are assigning her position based on a completely different evaluation. I have no idea how they reached their conclusions.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 133 of 153 (778130)
02-17-2016 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by Faith
02-17-2016 10:05 AM


Re: Testing the Test
hey couldn't have tested the Republican candidates either, right?
That's exactly right. You are confirming the exact point I made to Percy. We cannot predict how anyone would answer those questions based on where we put them on the chart.
On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that Ted Cruz, for example would match a huge number of the positions Percy selected for him. He might waffle on the strongly agree vs agree, but I think Percy nailed his description and that of some of his fellow Republicans. There is a reason why I challenged him primarily on the basis of Hilary.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 137 of 153 (778157)
02-17-2016 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by Faith
02-17-2016 1:22 PM


Re: Testing the Test
If you were right about how the Republicans would score, then I should have scored up there with them and I didn't.
What you say here makes no sense.
Did you respond to the questions as Percy indicated? If you did, then you would inevitably have received the same score Percy did. If you responded differently, then we have no way to compare your score with Percy's or anyone else's.
I speculated that Ted Cruz's answers were similar to Percy's. So your example of your own score is not relevant.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 140 of 153 (778211)
02-18-2016 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 138 by Faith
02-17-2016 5:03 PM


Re: Testing the Test
That's what I'm talking about. My own scores are at 1 and .1, far from those in the upper right corner.
I don't believe it is possible to answer the questions Percy selected in a way consistent with what Ted Cruz says and still get a (1, 0.1). Your claim is that you are just like the Republican candidates and thus the test is wrong. I'm saying that such a thing is impossible. The Republican candidates are not even all alike.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 142 of 153 (778229)
02-18-2016 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by Faith
02-18-2016 12:42 PM


Re: Testing the Test
Didn't YOU say that you think Cruz's score in the upper right hand corner is probably accurate for him? No matter who put it there or guessed it there or whatever? You guessed it would be a pretty accurate reflection of his views and how he would score on the test?
I said two things. I first said that the answers Percy gave probably did reflect Cruz very well and that his score was probably correct. However I also suggested that those answers might not do a good job of indicating anything and that they likely don't explain why Hilary was plotted where she was.
In any event, what I am challenging is your expectation to come up just like Cruz, without giving answers that reflect Cruz's stated positions and obvious tendencies. See below:
Faith writes:
I would just have expected to line up more with, say, Cruz, and I didn't.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 143 of 153 (778230)
02-18-2016 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by Faith
02-18-2016 12:42 PM


Re: Testing the Test
Unless you see the truth of what I am saying here PLEASE DO NOT ANSWER. I'm tired of getting an ulcer from your weird ways of misconstruing my posts.
I'm surely not going to respect that request.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 146 of 153 (778237)
02-18-2016 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by Faith
02-18-2016 1:34 PM


Re: Testing the Test
I don't know why NoNukes keeps imputing the scores on the chart to you
I did not impute the scores to Percy. Percy is only responsible for posting the chart and of course the example questions and reported score associated with them. I don't believe I said anything different from that.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 148 of 153 (778241)
02-18-2016 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by Faith
02-18-2016 2:22 PM


Re: Testing the Test
because I know my beliefs are compatible with many of them and at least Cruz's.
So you keep saying. I think Cruz has been placed firmly in the correct quadrant, although his distance from the origin seems exaggerated. I also believe that the answers to the questions Percy posted are a reasonable approximation of Cruz. Cruz could never achieve your score on that test.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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