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Silent H
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Message 106 of 153 (283060)
02-01-2006 6:05 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by crashfrog
01-31-2006 5:50 PM


Re: having an identity crisis of your own?
I like the hamas made with roasted red peppers the best.

My guess is the mideast sandwich is going to get hot enough without the red peppers.


holmes
"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)
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Tal
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Message 107 of 153 (283102)
02-01-2006 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by Chiroptera
01-31-2006 6:01 PM


Re: having an identity crisis of your own?
Chiro has the idea! That is a good one too Chiroptera.

Holmes, yes, there is more to the sentence; I simply found that part hilarious. "Yes, women are equal because they produce men."

O.O

Awesome.


The Muslim women have a no lesser role than that of men in the war of liberation; they manufacture men

Hamas Charter
What's your favorite line?
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Silent H
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Message 108 of 153 (283113)
02-01-2006 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by Tal
02-01-2006 9:38 AM


Re: having an identity crisis of your own?
Chiro has the idea! That is a good one too Chiroptera.

Yeah, but you don't seem to get the idea that the same thing can be done with things you like, for example the Bible. It doesn't seem consistent, to rip into them when your own handbook contains even worse commentary (and it doesn't have to be quote mined).

I simply found that part hilarious. "Yes, women are equal because they produce men."

Yeah, but that is a fiction of quotemining. There was an AND after that. Its not because they produce men, it is because they do that AND something else, something which if left in does not seem so silly.

Look, I don't like Hamas, and I can certainly agree that an idea women are useful as they produce men would be demeaning to women to some degree. I do have to wonder if that meant "men" as in people, or as in males (it can be used both ways), but am not going to bother trying to find out. If you find mysogynist passages funny, why did you have to pick on Hamas? It looks like you are trying to point out the splinter in another person's eye so that no one notices the log in your own.

By the way, have you seen any zionist literature discussing the importance of women producing children for the cause?


holmes
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Tal
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Message 109 of 153 (283125)
02-01-2006 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by Silent H
02-01-2006 10:07 AM


Re: having an identity crisis of your own?
Yeah, but you don't seem to get the idea that the same thing can be done with things you like, for example the Bible.

You would have a point if I were ripping the Koran. But I'm not. So you don't. What I am ripping is thier political beliefs as stated in their political charter.

Want to pick on mine?

US Constitution

There it is. Rip away.

why did you have to pick on Hamas?

Because they are a terrorist organization.

By the way, have you seen any zionist literature discussing the importance of women producing children for the cause?

No I havne't. Put it in your sig.

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The Muslim women have a no lesser role than that of men in the war of liberation; they manufacture men

Hamas Charter
What's your favorite line?
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Silent H
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Message 110 of 153 (283170)
02-01-2006 12:30 PM
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02-01-2006 10:48 AM


Re: having an identity crisis of your own?
You would have a point if I were ripping the Koran. But I'm not. So you don't. What I am ripping is thier political beliefs as stated in their political charter.

??? What difference does that make? My point is that you seem to be laughing at something which exists within literature of your own professed belief system.

If you laughed at some group who said "monkeys are our masters from outerspace", it seems odd to suggest I'd be errant in pointing that your religious lit says the same thing, simply because you were pointing at the other group's political lit.

Want to pick on mine?

Uh, Hamas isn't a gov't its an organization. The correct analogy, if you are being so tight as to deny pointing to the Bible, would be to whatever political group you belong to. Let me know what it is and I'll see if I can find something funny in it.

Because they are a terrorist organization.

Uh yeah, but then that does not explain why you chose a quote that is essentially shared by many other people, including your own faith.


holmes
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Chiroptera
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Message 111 of 153 (283175)
02-01-2006 12:44 PM


So, Madfish, have we helped you with your political identity crisis yet?


"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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Tal
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Message 112 of 153 (283210)
02-01-2006 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by Silent H
02-01-2006 12:30 PM


Re: having an identity crisis of your own?
What difference does that make? My point is that you seem to be laughing at something which exists within literature of your own professed belief system.

You lost me here. How is the Hamas charter literature of my own professed belief system?

Uh, Hamas isn't a gov't its an organization.

Hamas is a political party, ie part of the gov't. Just read some news from the past week or, apparently they won an election.


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Silent H
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Message 113 of 153 (283342)
02-02-2006 6:47 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by Tal
02-01-2006 2:54 PM


Re: having an identity crisis of your own?
How is the Hamas charter literature of my own professed belief system?

??? I said the thing you are laughing at (in their charter) exists within literature of your own professed belief system (the Bible). I'm not accusing you of supporting Hamas.

Hamas is a political party, ie part of the gov't. Just read some news from the past week or, apparently they won an election.

Hamas is a political party and thus comparisons of their charter (for them) to the Constitution (for you) would be inaccurate. Hamas is to the Palestinian gov't as X is to the US gov't. Just fill in the X... I'm assuming you are republican, but I don't want to jump to conclusions.


holmes
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Madfish
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Message 114 of 153 (283533)
02-02-2006 7:46 PM
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02-01-2006 12:44 PM


No, not really. :p

But it's ok, I think i've sorted it out for myself.


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Minnemooseus
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Message 115 of 153 (395537)
04-16-2007 9:34 PM


Bill Maher on Republicans and Democrats
For lack of a better place, I'm plugging this into this topic.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54367

Apparently Bill Maher was on the Tonight Show w/ Jay Leno a couple of months ago.

The above cited is an interesting read, but there was one bit that falls under "This is what I've thought, but I've never quite been able to state it so well".

quote:
At one point, Maher spewed his venom for both major political parties.

"The Republicans are bad because they have to be held back. They are the party – and I give them this credit – they are the party of ideas. Big, stupid ideas. The Democrats have lately been the party that either doesn't have ideas, or will not defend their ideas."


That's all - If it weren't for bad ideas, the neo-cons would have no ideas at all.

Moose


Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.

"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose


    
RAZD
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Message 116 of 153 (778017)
02-14-2016 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by RAZD
01-26-2006 9:12 PM


candidates on the "Political Compass"
So, many of us have already done this once or twice:

The Political Compass test.

my results are

Economic Left/Right: -8.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.69

Here we have the various candidates placed on the grid:

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016

quote:
The US Primary Candidates 2016

This chart extends to all areas of political thought not just to the confines of the US campaign. Accordingly, the placement of the candidates is in the context of universal political landscape. The chart will be adjusted if and when there are significant policy shifts. We are receiving many requests for the inclusion of the leaders of smaller parties. These will be added to a new presidential election chart after the major party candidates have been determined.


It's kind of like Hillary is herding the GOP candidates into the corner, which has pretty much been establishment DNC doctrine since Bill, while Bernie is over there saying "this is where we should be" ... but not extreme to the left, well to the right of my and many other posters here.

I tried to find the thread where I had compiled results from many people but could not find it. This was the last one I made:

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Message 117 of 153 (778020)
02-14-2016 3:27 PM
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02-14-2016 2:39 PM


Re: candidates on the "Political Compass"
Economic Left/Right: -3.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.85

Through most of the test I thought I'd come in close to 0,0, but the test's last two pages had a bunch of religion/science/moral type questions.

--Percy


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Diomedes
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Message 118 of 153 (778048)
02-15-2016 10:58 AM
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02-14-2016 3:27 PM


Re: candidates on the "Political Compass"
Economic Left/Right: -6.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.41

Interesting test. What surprised me about my results is I leaned left further than I thought. Like Percy, once the questions started going into the religious realm and the rights of gays or the poor, I heavily leaned in one direction.


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Message 119 of 153 (778051)
02-15-2016 11:56 AM


Your Political Compass

Economic Left/Right: 1.0
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.1


    
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Message 120 of 153 (778052)
02-15-2016 12:05 PM
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02-14-2016 3:27 PM


Re: candidates on the "Political Compass"
I too thought I was middle of the road. Guess not.

I wonder how much is reaction to the current US politics

Economic Left/Right: -6.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.72

May explain why I wear a lot of red t-shirts.

I think that page 5 sent me way left. I wonder much weight did the astrology question (strong disagree) have on the final score. I usually didn't have strong opinions.

Would the religion in school (strong disagree) be right or left? I could see it a couple different ways.


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