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Author Topic:   Was the destruction of the twin towers scientifically possible on 9/11
crashfrog
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Message 13 of 151 (416998)
08-19-2007 12:17 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Taz
08-18-2007 11:53 PM


Re: Conspiracy theorists
By way of agreeing with you (and also not commenting on the 9/11 theories), it's instructive to note that the accepted narrative of 9/11 - 19 mostly Saudi hijackers, etc - is itself a conspiracy.

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crashfrog
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Message 35 of 151 (417210)
08-19-2007 10:32 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by lost-apathy
08-19-2007 10:18 PM


There were pools of molten lava that did not cool completely for a few weeks.
Lava is molten stone. Why would there be stone on an airplane? In a 100-story building?
There was no lava.
We have stoves that are made of steel, and we can run it all day long and it won't melt.
Dude, your stove at home goes to maybe 500 degrees. Barely hot enough to burn paper. The burning jet fuel caused temperatures of more than 2000 degrees. The fires were so hot they burned for three months after the buildings collapsed.
In order to bring down a steel framed building of that size you have destroy the base.
Yes. But it's abundantly obvious from the videos that the towers collapsed from the top down.
Which is what you'd expect from a weakening of their structure by fire somewhere near the top.
which says a force greater than a airplane hitting it had to have acted upon it.
Gravity was that force.
The bottom floors should still be intact.
Except that they were crushed by the top floors.
How is it that the building collapsed in on itself just from debris from the other towers.
Because a million tons of building debris landed square on top of it. Why wouldn't it have collapsed?
You're not making any sense.
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crashfrog
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Message 48 of 151 (417259)
08-20-2007 1:15 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by lost-apathy
08-19-2007 11:35 PM


Ok maybe I should have used molten metal. video footage and pictures.
There was no molten steel:
World Trade Center Investigation | NIST
What you're seeing in the video is just flaming ash.
Temperatures were not hot enough to liquify steel; of course, about 500 degrees shy of its melting point, steel loses all but 10% of its original strength, like softening chocolate. It might have been molten aluminum from the airframe of the 747, but I doubt it.
Either way, of course, it's irrelevant - explosives don't melt steel, either. Thermite just isn't a reasonable explanation since it has to burn in continuous contact in order to cut; that's impossible to achieve against a vertical support beam.
It comes down in 6 seconds. In a perfect fashion.
That's WTC 6 in the center; WTC 7 is the hole in the upper right. It doesn't look like it came down "perfect" to me. It looks like it came down in a heap after being crushed by falling debris.
Why didn't they mention it in the commission report?
Have you read it? Maybe you should before you make claims about what is or isn't in the report.
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crashfrog
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Message 55 of 151 (417381)
08-20-2007 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by lost-apathy
08-20-2007 6:11 PM


Re: The Nature of Conspiracy Theorists
Yes this may be the nature of it, however you must realize that there are unanswered questions about 911 that everyone here refuses to give even a slight look at.
Really? Because it seems like we've been answering your questions as we go.
Of course, if you're asking ridiculous stuff like "why did molten lava pour out of WTC 1 and 2?" then the only real answer is that there's something very wrong with you which prevents you from recognizing bullshit when it's presented, steaming, on a plate before you.
The difference between me and everyone else is that I actually have researched both sides thoroughly.
Well, no, you haven't. You've heard the conspiracy side. Did you read the NIST investigation I linked to, earlier? How do you respond to its points?
Its just pathetic when I see people buying into this terrorism shit. They hate us because we are over there killing their people. Our foreign policy needs to be changed.
I;m not disagreeing - but 9/11 doesn't have to be an inside job for that to be true.
Indeed, if it your conspiracy theories are true, doesn't that undercut your point? You say that terrorists caused 9/11 happened because we're over there killing people; but isn't your position that terrorists didn't cause 9/11?
How do you reconcile these two positions? How do you justify the use of 9/11 as an example of decades of failed terror policy when you're claiming 9/11 didn't have anything to do with terrorists?

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crashfrog
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Message 60 of 151 (417404)
08-20-2007 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by lost-apathy
08-20-2007 8:49 PM


Re: The Nature of Conspiracy Theorists
Watch how it collapses, and tell me again that it is because of falling debris.
I'm telling you again that it was because of falling debris. After being hit by that much material, how could it not collapse?

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