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lyx2no
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Message 466 of 519 (474626)
07-09-2008 6:37 PM
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07-09-2008 5:13 PM


Much Wisdom Often Goes with Brevity of Speech — Sophocles
How times change.


Kindly

∞∞∞∞∞∞∞

Everyone deserves a neatly dug grave. It is the timing that's in dispute.

牛持ちでない方は、男です。


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Hyroglyphx
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Message 467 of 519 (474637)
07-09-2008 9:42 PM
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07-09-2008 6:18 PM


Consti-2-shun
Ever heard of the Constitution?

I think I've heard something about that once or twice.


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Message 468 of 519 (474645)
07-09-2008 10:18 PM
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07-09-2008 9:42 PM


Re: Consti-2-shun
quote:
I think I've heard something about that once or twice.

Well, if you'd actually read it and understood it, you'd know that there are some things that are not decided by democratic processes. And you'd know that the framers of the Constitution actually intended that that be the case; they purposefully chose to take some questions out of the hands of the people, and leave them up to the courts.


Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat


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FliesOnly
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Message 469 of 519 (474685)
07-10-2008 8:05 AM
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07-09-2008 6:14 PM


Artemis Entreri writes:

I wish they would just let us vote on this issue

Nemesis Juggernaut writes:

Seems the most democratic thing to do.

Put it to a vote...you're serious? Wow...over 800 posts and you still don't realize that we have a Constitution. Unfuckingbelievable. But not too surprising.

Artemis Entreri writes:

It was pretty funny that you called somebody a bigot because their beliefs are different than yours, when that is what biggotry is.

Nemesis Juggernaut writes:

Shhhhhhh.... Stop making sense. That's not allowed here.

And once again...bigotry is NOT simply disagreeing with someones opinion or belief. I swear to fucking god...you people truly need to learn what the word means before for the...oh I don't know...three hundredth fucking time...you misuse it. I mean, seriously...are you just playing stupid to get a rise out of people or are you truly incapable of reading and understanding what we have been telling you for months now. Bigotry is NOT...read that again...is NOT simply disagreeing with someone. Fuck!!
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kjsimons
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Message 470 of 519 (474692)
07-10-2008 8:49 AM
Reply to: Message 462 by Artemis Entreri
07-09-2008 5:17 PM


marrying black chicks is a basic human right!?!

Marrying who you want to (as long as they are a consenting adult) is a basic human right! This isn't a funny topic so I don't know why you are laughing. Your behavior is juvenile, hopefully this is because you are one and will at some point grow out of it.


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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 471 of 519 (474693)
07-10-2008 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 463 by subbie
07-09-2008 6:01 PM


quote:
Why shouldn't it be? And why do you laugh, nothing intelligent to say?

i laughed because it ws funny. that's what i do when i read or hear something that is funny.

where you not trying to make a joke? where you being serious?

if you where serious then that was EXTRA funny, i thought it was a joke.


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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 472 of 519 (474694)
07-10-2008 9:03 AM


there must be a ton of liberals on this site, because all you do is insult people with name calling, personal attacks, and NSFW curse words, when they hold views different than you.
Artemis Entreri 
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Message 473 of 519 (474696)
07-10-2008 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 469 by FliesOnly
07-10-2008 8:05 AM


quote:
And once again...bigotry is NOT simply disagreeing with someones opinion or belief. I swear to fucking god...you people truly need to learn what the word means before for the...oh I don't know...three hundredth fucking time...you misuse it. I mean, seriously...are you just playing stupid to get a rise out of people or are you truly incapable of reading and understanding what we have been telling you for months now. Bigotry is NOT...read that again...is NOT simply disagreeing with someone. Fuck!!

you have a lovely vocabulary. do think cussing at me is somehow going to get your point accross. if i wanted street talk i'd be on the street.

from wikipedia
A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding state of mind.

i have found nothing but intolerance of my opinions since i got here, there are at least 3 bigots who have responded to my posts.


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FliesOnly
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Message 474 of 519 (474702)
07-10-2008 9:28 AM
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07-10-2008 9:10 AM


Artemis Entreri writes:

you have a lovely vocabulary.

Thanks.

Artemis Entreri writes:

do think cussing at me is somehow going to get your point accross. if i wanted street talk i'd be on the street.

Well, first off...I wasn't cussing at you...I was cussing at Nemesis Juggernaut. And I was cussing at Nemesis Juggernaut because he has been involved in this thread (and I think even its predecessor) for quite a while now and the definition of Bigotry has been explained numerous times. So he was just being an ass...and to be honest it gets on my fucking nerves when someone continually repeats something that has be explained to be untrue...as NJ did in his response to you.

Artemis Entreri writes:

from wikipedia
A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding state of mind.

Yeah...OK.

Artemis Entreri writes:

i have found nothing but intolerance of my opinions since i got here, there are at least 3 bigots who have responded to my posts.

No...you have found disagreement.

You see, Artemis Entreri...We am NOT intolerant of your position. If we were, then we would state that you're not (or that you should not be) allowed to post that opinion. Have any of us done that...anywhere...at all? I think not. So again, learn what the word means before using it.


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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 475 of 519 (474704)
07-10-2008 9:29 AM
Reply to: Message 468 by subbie
07-09-2008 10:18 PM


Re: Consti-2-shun
quote:
Well, if you'd actually read it and understood it, you'd know that there are some things that are not decided by democratic processes. And you'd know that the framers of the Constitution actually intended that that be the case; they purposefully chose to take some questions out of the hands of the people, and leave them up to the courts.


interesting. because i came from Missouri (before Virginia), and in Missouri the People did vote on this issue. Missourians have amended thier STATE Constitution, through voting, and now it is against the law for same sex people to get married, and the state of Missouri does not accept those marriages from other states.

that's why your posts are so funny. you think you know what you are talking about, and try to put others down because of it, but we know how our governments works and are just laughing at most of the things you say/type. if you want to marry some d00d then go ahead, in some other state. but it isn't going to happen in Missouri.

Marriage is not something that is set by the federal government, it IS up to the individual states. i have no problem with states making thier own rules based on thier populations needs and desires.

BTW this is four years old: http://marriage.about.com/od/samesexmarriage/qt/missourigay.htm

constitution? from the courts? what about the voters of Missouri amending thier constitution? pul-lease, dont try to tell me how my government works.


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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 476 of 519 (474705)
07-10-2008 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 474 by FliesOnly
07-10-2008 9:28 AM


quote:
Yeah...OK.

not a fan of peer review, i thought this was a science forum.

quote:
You see, Artemis Entreri...We am NOT intolerant of your position. If we were, then we would state that you're not (or that you should not be) allowed to post that opinion. Have any of us done that...anywhere...at all? I think not. So again, learn what the word means before using it.

so when people like catholic scientist are called bigots, its just immature name calling? because i dont recall reading anywhere that catholic scientist told others they should not be allowed to post thier opinion. if that is so i agree with you. otherwise ill have to go with my own definition.


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FliesOnly
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Message 477 of 519 (474707)
07-10-2008 9:53 AM
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07-10-2008 9:34 AM


Artemis Entreri writes:

not a fan of peer review, i thought this was a science forum.

I'm confused. You complimented my vocabulary...I agreed and thanked you. What does that have to do with either peer review or a science forum (we are in, by the way, a non-science section of the forum)?

Artemis Entreri writes:

so when people like catholic scientist are called bigots, its just immature name calling?

Why is this so difficult?

Catholic Scientist and many others are called bigots because they do not want two people of the same sex to be allowed to marry each other. They deny homosexuals the same rights that they themselves are afforded. See...they're intolerant. It's OK to not agree with same sex marriage. It's when you want to deny marriage to homosexuals that you become a bigot.

Now do you see the difference?


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FliesOnly
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Message 478 of 519 (474708)
07-10-2008 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 475 by Artemis Entreri
07-10-2008 9:29 AM


Re: Consti-2-shun
Artemis Entreri writes:

i have no problem with states making thier own rules based on thier populations needs and desires.

You're kidding, right? Maybe you should take a Civics class or something.

Artemis Entreri writes:

constitution? from the courts? what about the voters of Missouri amending thier constitution? pul-lease, dont try to tell me how my government works.

I do belive that the U.S. Constitution trumps all State Constitutions. And as such, those pesky 9th and 14th Amendments keep rearing their ugly little heads.
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Message 479 of 519 (474712)
07-10-2008 10:07 AM
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07-10-2008 9:53 AM


Catholic Scientist and many others are called bigots because they do not want two people of the same sex to be allowed to marry each other. They deny homosexuals the same rights that they themselves are afforded. See...they're intolerant.

Actually, I've posted multiple times now that I don't care if gay people get married.

What I've been arguing against is the notion that the Constitution grants a right to gay people to have marriages and that gay marriage must be allowed due to constitutionality.

I've been called a bigot because I didn't agree with the liberal position and spoke out against it.

It doesn't matter what I actually think or how I actually act, its all about whether or not you agree, whether your opinion is the same or not. If not, then you are a fucking bigot.


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Message 480 of 519 (474719)
07-10-2008 11:03 AM
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07-10-2008 9:29 AM


Re: Consti-2-shun
Of course, the federal constitution take precedence over the individual state constitutions. For example, South Carolina removed the ban for interracial marriage from their constitution in 1998, 103 years after it was made unenforceable because of a supreme court ruling.

Should the supreme court jump in, and take a stand, it could be the Defense of Marriage act and the various state constitutions can be made
obsolete in their stance.

The fact you were from Missouri does explain a lot.

Edited by ramoss, : No reason given.


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