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crashfrog
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Message 121 of 142 (366712)
11-29-2006 1:46 AM
Reply to: Message 119 by mick
11-29-2006 1:36 AM


yet crashfrog is saying that suicide by cop and the use of lethal force is standard on US campuses... so now I don't know what to believe...

Well, the first thing you could do to rectify your confusion would be to go back and read what I actually wrote, since that's the second time so far that you've grossly distorted my original meaning.


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mick
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Message 122 of 142 (366713)
11-29-2006 1:47 AM
Reply to: Message 120 by crashfrog
11-29-2006 1:44 AM


crashfrog writes:

Cops are out of control in America

And your answer to that is to film it on our phones and put it on youtube? That's the solution, is it?


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crashfrog
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Message 123 of 142 (366714)
11-29-2006 1:51 AM
Reply to: Message 122 by mick
11-29-2006 1:47 AM


And your answer to that is to film it on our phones and put it on youtube? That's the solution, is it?

You heard about it, didn't you?


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mick
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Message 124 of 142 (366715)
11-29-2006 1:54 AM
Reply to: Message 123 by crashfrog
11-29-2006 1:51 AM


crashfrog writes:


And your answer to that is to film it on our phones and put it on youtube? That's the solution, is it?

You heard about it, didn't you?

Yes, I heard about it. And you seem to be saying I should not do anything about it, in case the cops kill me.


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crashfrog
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Message 125 of 142 (366752)
11-29-2006 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 124 by mick
11-29-2006 1:54 AM


And you seem to be saying I should not do anything about it, in case the cops kill me.

That's distortion number three. Why are you having such a hard time dealing with my actual arguments?

You're free to do whatever you want. If you can't think of another way to deal with this situation besides violence in the fase of hopeless odds, that's hardly my problem.


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Message 126 of 142 (366774)
11-29-2006 11:38 AM
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11-29-2006 1:54 AM


cease and decist
mick -I think it has stopped being funny now. If you want to debate in good faith, please make a concerted effort to understand what your opponent is saying. Crashfrog is not writing things in an obscure fashion here.

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Wounded King
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Message 127 of 142 (366776)
11-29-2006 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 119 by mick
11-29-2006 1:36 AM


Well you know what Nixon said, "... when dissent turns to violence, it invites tragedy."

TTFN,

WK


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Hyroglyphx
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Message 128 of 142 (366833)
11-29-2006 1:49 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by mick
11-28-2006 8:21 PM


Re: "fuck the police"
This is why Americans are considered political illiterates everywhere in the world.

What does that have to do with nationality? Chiro makes a good point, so does Crashfrog. Aside from which, they are in agreement with you on virtually every point, aside from your violent overthrow of the cops. They're right. Whether the officers were in the right or the wrong is inconsequential to exacerbating the instance any further.

These lazy, bourgeois people think that the aim of democracy is to avoid "being bashed on the head".

Where did you come up with this convoluted rationale?

Their concern with playing things by the book is what allowed their rulers to invade another country and to kill tens of thousands if people in the name of an emasculated vision of democracy which involves "being nice to cops". It's depressing to read it, and more so because the people who write this nonsense are on the left rather than the right of politics.

First of all, aren't you British? Is this a self-indictment since the Britons have engaged in the Iraq crisis? Here's a novel idea: Why don't you try not to implicate everyone simply because they were born in a certain place, and we'll give you the same respect.

Secondly, we know your political stance. You have romanticized the notion of leftist, guerilla warfare, which, hilariously, undermines all of your previous points.

You fail...


Faith is not a pathetic sentiment, but robust, vigorous confidence built on the fact that God is holy love. You cannot see Him just now, you cannot fully understand what He's doing, but you know that you know Him." -Oswald Chambers
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Hyroglyphx
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Message 129 of 142 (366837)
11-29-2006 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by mick
11-28-2006 10:09 PM


Well Chiroptera, it's more serious than that.

Your rulers have gone and invaded a foreign country for their own financial gain, and now they're tyrannizing dark-skinned citizens within US borders.

First of all, Chiroptera is opposed to the war, and so is most everyone engaged in the conversation. You're demonizing people that basically agree with you, save your fanaticism. As for tyrannizing dark skinned citizens within the US borders, what exactly are you referring to? Is this allusion to Mexicans?

Lastly, do hear that popping sound yet?


Faith is not a pathetic sentiment, but robust, vigorous confidence built on the fact that God is holy love. You cannot see Him just now, you cannot fully understand what He's doing, but you know that you know Him." -Oswald Chambers
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mick
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Message 130 of 142 (367110)
11-30-2006 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by AdminModulous
11-29-2006 11:38 AM


apology
Hi modulous,

I would like to apologise to crashfrog and others. I'm afraid (as you may have guessed) I had had a bad day and I came to evc with a bee in my bonnet looking for a fight, which is always a dangerous thing.

Sorry.

Mick


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Chiroptera
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Message 131 of 142 (367114)
11-30-2006 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by mick
11-30-2006 1:03 PM


Re: apology
Apology accepted.

I also apologize for trying to deliberately trying to goad you. I figured that there had to be something odd going on, and I should have just left it all alone until things calmed down.

Added by edit:

PS, I hope that whatever you troubles were/are, you have been able/will be able to deal with them. Good luck.

Edited by Chiroptera, : No reason given.


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Michael
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Message 132 of 142 (367197)
11-30-2006 8:26 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by mick
11-30-2006 1:03 PM


Re: apology
Jolly good. Cheerio!
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crashfrog
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Message 133 of 142 (367201)
11-30-2006 8:42 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by mick
11-30-2006 1:03 PM


Re: apology
No biggie.
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nator
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Message 134 of 142 (367336)
12-01-2006 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by mick
11-28-2006 4:44 PM


Re: "fuck the police"
quote:
You know, I've watched the video clip a few times and one of the main things that upsets me is that the surrounding students, while clearly disapproving of the cops' behaviour, do absolutely nothing to help the victim. Absolutely nothing at all!

If I was in the position of the onlookers, I find it hard to imagine I would do nothing at all. I think it would be appropriate to perform a citizen's arrest on the cops, and to give some first aid to the student. When I put myself in the place of the onlookers, I would like to think I would try to help the tasered guy by giving one or more of the cops a good uppercut to the head. The fact that the students surrounding this incident are unable to do a single thing to help him other than yelling "stop that" is quite depressing.


No, I don't think it would have been safe for any of those onlookers to have tried to interfere. The cops were worked up and they had guns. They could have been shot if they tried anything and the cops were skittish enough.

One of the onlookers, when she asked one of the officers for his name and badge number, was told to back off or he would taser her.

And I don't think they did "absolutely nothing". One of them filmed it on their camera phone, and that is, I think, probably the best possible thing they could do at that point.

Because now it's on YouTube forever.


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Message 135 of 142 (367338)
12-01-2006 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by mick
11-28-2006 10:09 PM


quote:
Your rulers have gone and invaded a foreign country for their own financial gain, and now they're tyrannizing dark-skinned citizens within US borders.

I don't see any response from US citizens that makes me think anybody is taking this seriously.


Er, don't the recent midterm elections count?


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