Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9164 total)
3 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,455 Year: 3,712/9,624 Month: 583/974 Week: 196/276 Day: 36/34 Hour: 2/14


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   The Grand Canyon Paradox
iceage 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5936 days)
Posts: 1024
From: Pacific Northwest
Joined: 09-08-2003


Message 13 of 52 (422950)
09-18-2007 9:49 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Hyroglyphx
09-18-2007 8:35 PM


Alice in Wonderland school of Geology
hmmmmmm. Faith's storybook description is no less credible then saying God waved his hand and the unconformity's formed out of the void. It is so ridiculous that i hesitate to respond to it.
What is always ignored is the simple fact that the bottom layer is often metamorphosed. The A/U at the bottom of Grand Canyon is high grade metamorphic rock - requiring high temperature/pressure/time. The temperature of that massive formation would have to be several hundred degrees!.
Faith writes:
To get the typical configuration of the kind of unconformity that YEC's supposedly can't account for, the tilted strata beneath the horizontal, all that need have happened is, if instead of bending as occurred here, the bent strata had broken, and the upper more horizontal portion had then slid over the lower angled portion.
The lower and upper layer rock are typically of completely different composition since they were often formed millions of years apart.
Also the bottom layer often contain erosional horizons with the weathered and eroded and rounded components of the lower layer present in a matrix with the upper layer.
Checkout these wonderful pictures of Siccar point. They are hi-res so I did not link them in here. Look closely at the contact and you will see that what Faith proposed is proposed out of ignorance.
No such page | The University of Edinburgh
Faith writes:
In the lower picture, had the rock completely broken instead of holding together under the pressure well enough to form the S shape, you'd have had the formation of horizontal strata over upright or angled strata that is said to be inexplicable from the young earth point of view. Not at all inexplicable.
Not at all inexplicable!!!!! Ya if you ignore reality and the data. There is not one single piece of evidence to indicate such a fairy tale has every occurred. This is great hypothesis for a YEC to go look for confirmation. For example, find one identifiable strata (ie thickness or trace materials or fossils) and see if one can find a single AU in the world where you can find a strata match between upper and lower layer. Good luck
I am not even going waste time on her Alice in Wonderland fairy tale on the formation of the Great Unconformity with inventions like "underground volcanic explosions"
Further all this activity and somehow there are fossilized sand dunes demonstrating huge aeolian crossbedding complete with animal tracks. The Hakatai Shale contains frequent mud cracks, raindrop impressions and ripple rock.
Mud cracks, animal tracks and ripple rock!!! during a world wide flood!!! combined with massive cataclysmic events proposed!!! is absurd. YEC attempts of explaining the Grand Canyon as a product of the flood serves to demonstrate willful and purposeful deceit.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 12 by Hyroglyphx, posted 09-18-2007 8:35 PM Hyroglyphx has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 18 by Adminnemooseus, posted 09-18-2007 10:55 PM iceage has not replied

  
iceage 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5936 days)
Posts: 1024
From: Pacific Northwest
Joined: 09-08-2003


Message 15 of 52 (422957)
09-18-2007 10:21 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Adminnemooseus
09-18-2007 10:10 PM


Mud cracks, animal tracks and ripple rock
Perhaps you are right. However the Great Unconformity is the first argument against a single world wide flood deposition of the Grand.
However it is only one of many, so let me refocus the topic....
The Grand Canyon contains fossilized sand dunes consisting of aeolian crossbedding formations complete with animal tracks. The Hakatai Shale consists of rock with mud cracks, raindrop impressions and ripple rock. Sea shell and sea plant fossils are at the top in the Kiabab formation.
Mud cracks, animal tracks and ripple rock!!! oh my.... during a world wide flood!!! combined with massive cataclysmic events proposed!!! it is absurd.
YEC attempts of explaining the Grand Canyon as a product of the flood serves to demonstrate willful and purposeful deceit and/or ignorance of the facts. All I can say is take a hike... It will be worth your while

This message is a reply to:
 Message 14 by Adminnemooseus, posted 09-18-2007 10:10 PM Adminnemooseus has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 16 by jar, posted 09-18-2007 10:28 PM iceage has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024