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Author Topic:   The Grand Canyon Paradox
Jazzns
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Message 9 of 52 (422823)
09-18-2007 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Hyroglyphx
09-18-2007 12:38 AM


Re: Theoretical overview
As well, another part of their argument points to radical curves in the formation of rock. Obviously, that can't happen to solid rock through slow erosion because the rock would snap. But if you, however, have soft, pliable mud after, say, its been immersed in large volumes of water, after the water dries, the sediment will pack and harden, and thus, might explain why there are such curves in solid rock.
First of all, erosion does not cause deformation.
Second of all, if you don't want to wade through Bill's most excellent yet technical description, the issue with deformed rock is that we KNOW it was solid when it deformed because of the evidence.
The main evidence is call "strain" and that is where the internal structure of the rock is bent in the same direction and curvature of the rock itself.
Trying to bend the internal structure of the rock (the grains, the intrusions, fossils, etc.) is akin to the task of bending a metal rod that is under water by only manipulating the water. It just cannot be done. It is physically impossible.
The poster child for this is of course fossil strain. There are rocks where fossils themselves are bent in the direction that the rock is. How could this be if the rock was "soft, pliable mud"? Anwer, it was not "soft, pliable mud".
Moreover, we can go into the lab and put rock under pressure, heat, and mechanical manipulation and see that it behaves plasticly without fracturing. It leaves behind distinct characteristics that we can compare to rock we find outside the lab. When these characteristics match, we can know with confidence that the rocks were bent under enormous pressure, heat and mechanical manipulation.
And that they were HARD when they were bent. They absolutly had to be. That IS the evidence.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Jazzns
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Message 19 of 52 (422974)
09-19-2007 1:46 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Hyroglyphx
09-18-2007 8:35 PM


Re: Theoretical overview
Adminmoose is right that diving into too many generalities is off topic. Suffice it to say, just because rock has been observed to deform plasticly does not mean that it also does not fracture in certain circumstances.
None of your reply to me addressed any of the comments I made about rock strain. Rock strain falsifies a young earth. It is one of the many "silver bullet" evidences to slay the idea that all geologic formation are the result of a Biblical flood. Including the Grand Canyon.
Faith's explanation for the unconformities in the GC try to explain how an unconformity could possibly occur AFTER all the layers were deposited. Other than the obvious physical impossibility and lack of evidence (sophomoric attempts to correlate pictures not withstanding), her explanation fails to take into account the EXISTING evidence for erosion at the point of the unconformity or nonconformity.
Erosion is the key and all the dancing around in the world does not make that evidence go away. At some point those tilted layers saw air. AFTER they were buried, hardened, and tilted. Not going to happen in a year.
That is the problem with YECs, they simply fail to take ALL the evidence into account during the "alternative interpretations". Not explaining all of the evidence is a failure of the YEC paradigm.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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