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Author Topic:   The Grand Canyon Paradox
obvious Child
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Message 43 of 52 (453002)
02-01-2008 1:06 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by Crooked to what standard
01-31-2008 11:43 PM


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You know about the hydropale theory? How the floodwaters came from underground chambers that shot up into the sky along the Mid-Oceanic Trench?
Care to address the problem of releasing trillions of cubic meters of superheated water all at once and its effects on life?
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If you think that the pre-flood terrain was pretty much level (all the more able to build a huge, perfect garden), then all of the waters of the ocean would have covered up the pre-flood earth.
Then you need to compact massive tectonic movements and their associated heat into a few thousand years with an mechanism to suddenly start it and suddenly stop it. Furthermore, the lack of any historical evidence from ANY civilization during that alleged time seems to indicate that such an belief is completely false.
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And, when the continents bordering the Atlantic started to slide away from eachother, they'd hit the same force on the other side soon, causing them to buckle. Thus, you have the Rockies, the Himalayas, etc. along the Pacific coasts and a bit on the Atlantic (the Apalachians). These would have lifted the land quickly and violently out of the water.
The sheer temperatures needed for this boggle the mind. Plates move on an sea of magma. Their movements are somewhat dependent on how viscous and how hot that magma is. Your argument is for an sudden massive speeding up of plate movement and then suddenly slowing down. How do you account for the extreme temperature spikes necessary for this? Not only would you require the magma to heat up to levels at least an hundred times hotter but you'd need to remove this temperature suddenly as well. How do you do this without destroying all life?
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This could (and probably would) create a huge lake just behind the Rockies (not in the Great Plains, but in the high flat parts of Utah and Colorado). Then, the pressure of the lake might cause part of the wall to collapse, forcing the water to pour out of the lake. This water could easily carve out the Grand Canyon from the soft, newly-deposited sediments.
Then why did this not happen anywhere else on the planet? Furthermore, if that was true we should see evidence of all sorts of flora and fauna within the layers of the Canyon. What we ACTUALLY find is what evolution predicted.

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obvious Child
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Message 49 of 52 (453243)
02-01-2008 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Crooked to what standard
02-01-2008 4:32 PM


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You do know the hydro plate theory, right? I'd be happy to explain it for anybody who either doesn't know or questions my knowledge of it.
Pretending points made to you don't exist is childish, immature and weak. Try to avoid doing this in the future.
hydroplate theory doesn't even make any sense by itself. First of all, the crust does not float. Second, water at that level is massively superheated (aka NOT LIQUID WATER), there would be nothing for the crust to float on. On top of that, when the water was released, it would naturally go to fissures in the crust. These fissures would be still around today in an 6,000 year old planet. And you are still ignoring the problem of releasing trillions of cubic feet of superheated water all at once.
And you forget that hydroplate theory isn't even considered by other creationists.
Here's more criticism of that asinine belief
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obvious Child
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Message 50 of 52 (453247)
02-01-2008 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Crooked to what standard
02-01-2008 5:02 PM


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During the Flood, the sedimentary layers (along with fossils) were laid down.
That doesn't make sense. If there was an single giant flood, sediment and organisms would have been deposited according to fluid mechanics, which essentially states that things with greater mass sink generally faster then things with smaller masses. Thus we should see super primitive tiny lizards in layers above layers that contain mastodons, humans, buffalo, etc. Furthermore we should see adult african bull elephants in layers below those which contain Coelophysis and Cynodonts. We have no evidence of that whatsoever. Furthermore we should see layers containing Iridium below layers which are heavily Phosphorus. This again isn't true. The flood itself is contradicted by basic physics that one can test in their kitchen.
Furthermore, as I stated before, if your senario of the big lake was true,we should see evidence of all sorts of flora and fauna within the layers of the Canyon. What we ACTUALLY find is what evolution predicted. Also we should have other grand canyons too.
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The flood did last for 150 years....
You mean 150 days. And other sources stated it was only 40 days.

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