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Author Topic:   The Grand Canyon Paradox
Crooked to what standard
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Message 46 of 52 (453191)
02-01-2008 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by obvious Child
02-01-2008 1:06 AM


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Then you need to compact massive tectonic movements and their associated heat into a few thousand years with an mechanism to suddenly start it and suddenly stop it. Furthermore, the lack of any historical evidence from ANY civilization during that alleged time seems to indicate that such an belief is completely false.

You do know the hydro plate theory, right? I'd be happy to explain it for anybody who either doesn't know or questions my knowledge of it.


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Message 47 of 52 (453195)
02-01-2008 4:46 PM
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02-01-2008 4:32 PM


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It is not clear to me that the hydroplate theory can be connected to the Grand Canyon.
Even if it can it might be a bit too big to fit into this thread and there have been a number on it.

If it can be connected I'd like to see that connection made very well before it is discussed and then I think the discussion should be elsewhere.


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Crooked to what standard
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Message 48 of 52 (453204)
02-01-2008 5:02 PM
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02-01-2008 4:46 PM


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If it can be connected I'd like to see that connection made very well before it is discussed

Okay.

During the Flood, the sedimentary layers (along with fossils) were laid down. Then, when the Flood ended, the huge lake broke, carving out the Grand Canyon out of previously formed layers (with fossils). Just because both were created by the flood, doesn't mean they were created at the same time. The flood did last for 150 years....


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Message 49 of 52 (453243)
02-01-2008 6:08 PM
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02-01-2008 4:32 PM


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You do know the hydro plate theory, right? I'd be happy to explain it for anybody who either doesn't know or questions my knowledge of it.

Pretending points made to you don't exist is childish, immature and weak. Try to avoid doing this in the future.

hydroplate theory doesn't even make any sense by itself. First of all, the crust does not float. Second, water at that level is massively superheated (aka NOT LIQUID WATER), there would be nothing for the crust to float on. On top of that, when the water was released, it would naturally go to fissures in the crust. These fissures would be still around today in an 6,000 year old planet. And you are still ignoring the problem of releasing trillions of cubic feet of superheated water all at once.

And you forget that hydroplate theory isn't even considered by other creationists.

Here's more criticism of that asinine belief

http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/hydro.html


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Message 50 of 52 (453247)
02-01-2008 6:16 PM
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02-01-2008 5:02 PM


Re: Topic Warning!
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During the Flood, the sedimentary layers (along with fossils) were laid down.

That doesn't make sense. If there was an single giant flood, sediment and organisms would have been deposited according to fluid mechanics, which essentially states that things with greater mass sink generally faster then things with smaller masses. Thus we should see super primitive tiny lizards in layers above layers that contain mastodons, humans, buffalo, etc. Furthermore we should see adult african bull elephants in layers below those which contain Coelophysis and Cynodonts. We have no evidence of that whatsoever. Furthermore we should see layers containing Iridium below layers which are heavily Phosphorus. This again isn't true. The flood itself is contradicted by basic physics that one can test in their kitchen.

Furthermore, as I stated before, if your senario of the big lake was true,we should see evidence of all sorts of flora and fauna within the layers of the Canyon. What we ACTUALLY find is what evolution predicted. Also we should have other grand canyons too.

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The flood did last for 150 years....

You mean 150 days. And other sources stated it was only 40 days.


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Message 51 of 52 (453331)
02-01-2008 9:01 PM
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02-01-2008 5:02 PM


Re: Topic Warning!
Okay.

During the Flood, the sedimentary layers (along with fossils) were laid down. Then, when the Flood ended, the huge lake broke, carving out the Grand Canyon out of previously formed layers (with fossils). Just because both were created by the flood, doesn't mean they were created at the same time. The flood did last for 150 years....

That has nothing at all to do with hydroplate theory. Please do not mention it again in this thread.


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Message 52 of 52 (453332)
02-01-2008 9:02 PM
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02-01-2008 6:08 PM


Topic Warning!
Please stay off the hyrdoplate theory here. Thanks.

Edited by AdminNosy, : spelling


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