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Slander. Immediately provide evidence that liberals as a group are guilty of harboring Al Qaeda, or retract.Bush, on the other hand, doesn't seem too concerned with Bin laden himself...

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"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

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"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

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The word "marriage" is not found once in the Constitution of the United States of America. There is no Constitutional "right to marry." No redefinition of the Constitution is required, in any way, to allow homosexuals to marry. Rather, redefinition of the Constitution is necessary to deny a single group fair treatment under the law, which is what denying marriage licenses to consenting adults is. The Constitution is being trampled, and people are upset about it - refusing to grand gay couples a marriage license (and still call it a marriage license) is a violation of fair treatment under the law. Marriage licenses, as issued by the State, have nothing to do with religion or religious freedom, since people of all religions and Atheists can get receive a marriage license. Compromise is not an option when one side of the argument is simple, blatantly, wrong, immoral, and unconstitutional. Seeking the middle ground is not always acceptable. What would have been the result of a compromise over women's right to vote, or the civil rights movement?

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Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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it's generally safe to say that after a few years have passed and the next guy is in office, almost everything seems less awful than it did when it was happening, and the doom-sayers are never really right.

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I was right in my predictions about pretty much everything bad that has come out of the Iraq war:Posted by me, here, on March 27, 2003, exactly one week after the start of the war. I must be a military strategy genious.Edited by nator, : No reason given.

what a brilliantly ironic typo. that's the thing i hate the most, really, when politicians try to excuse their votes for the war now. "nobody knew then..." they say. well, i knew. you knew. everybody at the protests i attended knew. why didn't they?i don't want to vote for a politician that got it wrong (but at least was smart enough to realize his mistake). i want a politician at least as smart as you or i, who isn't suckered by lying warmongers in the first place. bush may say "fool me once, shame on you..." but i'd much rather someone who just isn't a fool in the first place.

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Anti-abortion to the point where he is for a constitutional amendment to ensure the rights of the unborn. (See Ringo, it could happen.]

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Women relegated to being nothing more than mobile uteruses sounds like a Christian Utopia, I know.

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I think that pretty much says it all. I guess freedom for him means "free to do what my religion tells you is right".

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Yes.The fact that he is taken seriously at all, anywhere in the country is frankly terrifying and disgusting to me.I am ashamed of so many Americans for being so ignorantly, gleefully Fascist.

I assume you can provide names and dates to support that assertion. You didn't really say that did you?The ones trying to change the laws and the Constitution are those opposing Same sex Marriage. They are also the ones changing the definition.

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Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

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These standards are the ones which have made the nation the world's most blessed, where freedom has rang for the first two centuries.

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...except for places like Sweden, which has a much better educated populace and a much higher standard of living than we have here in the US.Right?And, last I checked, US citizens no longer enjoy the right of habeas corpus, are not free from secret government wiretapping, not free from being "disappeared", are not free from all sorts of rights that people in other countries still enjoy.We are becomeing much more like a South American banana republic than a free democratic republic.

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is birth control legal yet?

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Yes.Not abortion, though.

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Unless you completely water down your faith to the point of it being indiscernable, and for all intents and purposes, non-existent, those who stand up for their beliefs will invariably be ridiculed for them.

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No, not "invariably".People are only ridiculed if their beliefs are worthy of ridicule.Take President Carter. He is a devout, practicing Christian that has stated many times that his decades of helping and empowering underprivilaged people and in being a moderating voice in world conflicts are a direct manifestation of his religious beliefs.Only the most cynical, coldhearted (and lame) people ridicule Carter for the amazing work he has done.George Bush, however, wages a lot of needless war, ignores an awful lot of worldwide suffering, and has, by all accounts, had no hesitation or difficulty in executing a lot of Texans for someone who professes to follow the "Prince of Peace".Actions speak much louder than words, and most of the time, when people are "ridiculed" for their personal religious beliefs, it is because what they are really doing is being ridiculed for wanting to force everybody else, by power of law, to adhere to their personal religious beliefs. Or their personal moral code based upon their particular religious beliefs. Like the Christian version of Sharia.That is worthy of ridicule.

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what a brilliantly ironic typo.

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damn.

's ok. i do it all the time.

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And yet no one cries foul ball that the Constitution is being trampled there.

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Oh, right, which explains why they so fervently go after Al Qaeda, while those on the Left harbor them?????

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See, here you are wrong, so very wrong in your facts again (the second quote being an offensive, outrageous, Coulteresque slander), and I am willing to bet that you will ignore the rebuttals/corrections by Rhavin and jar as if they never happened.Edited by nator, : No reason given.

I don't think people should be discriminated against, or receive special compensation. I like to remain neutral on such issues.

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but a persons religion defines their moral outlook.

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How could that possibly NOT be the case?

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“First dentistry was painless, then bicycles were chainless, and carriages were horseless, and many laws enforceless. Next cookery was fireless, telegraphy was wireless, cigars were nicotineless, and coffee caffeineless. Soon oranges were seedless, the putting green was weedless, the college boy was hatless, the proper diet -- fatless. New motor roads are dustless, the latest steel is rustless, our tennis courts are sodless, our new religion -- Godless” -Arthur Guiterman

I hate to pull out the Nazi card so soon, but are you saying Hitler's christianity defined his moral outlook?

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soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

no, just someone with some common sense

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other

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bullshit.

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Well, for instance, I have no religion, yet have a system of ethics and morality. How could that be the case for me, or any other Atheist?Aside from that, NJ, the fact is, morality hasn't come directly from the Bible for a long time. Morality changes with time independently. Once, Christians thought Inquisition was okay. Now it's not. They thought it was okay to forcibly convert natives when new land was discovered. Now, they (well, most of them) would be horrified by such a concept. Once, divorce was considered a huge sin. Now, divorcees are almost universally accepted.Once, women were treated as property in marriage. Now, that's (usually) not the case.Did the scriptures change? Did the religion itself change?People decide morality for themselves. The Bible is only used to justify what they already think to themselves and others. Fortunately for them, the Bible is so riddled with contradictions and excuses to overlook whatever bits and pieces you want that Christians tend to not have a problem finding support for any position at all, from racism to charity work to snake handling.

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Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.