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Philip Member (Idle past 4750 days) Posts: 656 From: Albertville, AL, USA Joined: |
Please realize:
1) I don't confidently have *the answer* to preventing French-Moslem jihads and 2) I am merely a wretched 9/11-victim's voice crying out for any solutions of which I conjectured a few. *Straining knats and swallowing camels* (if you will) about grammar, religion, etc. seems way off topic to me, anyway. If agreeable to you please conjecture tentative solution(s) to pre-jihad(s) in Europe (or point me to where you have).
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5847 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
Let's play this arbitrary date game: If the US now has a moral right to exist on what was native land, in what year did that right arise? 1776? 1865? Who said we had a moral right? What we have is a practical right. At this point giving back land en masse would be a practical impossibility and causing the same kind of harm to a different set of people. No one today is culpable for what others did in the far past. Neither are those today actually victims of what happened in the past. However we are still in a position where we cause harm to those same people. The continued victimization must end and some reparations are in order. When did the practical right begin? I admit it is arbitrary, but it would be once permanent settlements had grown sufficiently to preclude undue hardship to throw the people living there out, especially for the gain that the original victims would receive for the return of land. One difference with Israel, is that the people who commited atrocities and the victims of some of the atrocities are still alive. And the prosecutions are also still going on. Palestinians have a greater practical and moral claim to return of land and other reparations, then Native Americans have at this time. Then again as I have said that would justify neither group to violent action in pursuit of such reparations. It would make them understandable, but not just. holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5847 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
Must be tough for a moral relativist and profound leftist to argue against MLK's moral authority. No, he is wrong and I don't buy into arguments from authority, nor arguments from nonauthorities. Like any human MLK did some things that were helpful and beautiful and then he also did some things that were mistaken and ugly. Unlike fundies I do not have to deify men to agree with them when I think they are doing right, such that I cannot point out when what they do or say is fallacious. It must be tough for you having to scrape the bottom of the logic barrel in defense of your position as you are now doing. holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
quote: I just want to say that I like the way this was said. "Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5847 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
I just want to say that I like the way this was said. Thanks, you've been doing well yourself. I liked the last concise bit of depantsing. I'd say unmasking but what was revealed seemed more an ass than anything above the neck. holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5847 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
Get out and fight for Gay Rights. Why can't it be sexual rights for everyone? Gays are not the only persecuted sexual group. holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
some other thread my friend.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4927 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
the 700 Club is the Christian jihad?
Oh, and didn't one of the family's that took such advice as your's wind up with their son in Afghanistan fighting as a Moslem against the United States? Why not go to KKK rallies as well, and listen to them, "just like a child", you know to learn about their beliefs and realize they worship the same God as you do? How about the Neo-Nazis? I suppose if the Klan isn't around, you can take your family to some of their meetings to hear a little more, you know, be open-minded and all. This message has been edited by randman, 11-11-2005 12:50 PM
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CanadianSteve Member (Idle past 6500 days) Posts: 756 From: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Joined: |
I said they want to destroy Israel, as they do, and as they have persued rather than accept a land for peace deal (read Bill Clinton's book). Does that mean every single last one? Of course not. Do you use the English language than do others?
And tell me: If I accurately say that palestinian men abuse women (no, not every single one), does that make me a misogynist? If I accurately say that the Nazis (no, not every single one) wanted to kill all Jews, does that make me a genocidist?
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CanadianSteve Member (Idle past 6500 days) Posts: 756 From: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Joined: |
When did the Anglos get a moral/practical right to England after pushing out the Saxons? When did the Arabs get a moral/practical right to israel after pushing out the Jews?
As for atrocities, they are committed against Jews by arabs, not the other way around. No nation, not one, not ever, has shown the resolute moral resolve in the face of those who would "throw them into the sea" or the gas chambers, that Israel has. The allies firebombed Desden and used nuclear weapons aginst the japanese. Israel would have every right to do likewise against no less implacable, crazed, murderous enemy. Yet Israel hasn't even responded in equal measure. It is absolutely incredible, and will be so recorded by history - just as history will record the lies about Israel for what they are: yet another round of ages old vile anti-semitism. And those who subscribed to those lies will be condemned.
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CanadianSteve Member (Idle past 6500 days) Posts: 756 From: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Joined: |
I've considered what you said, for a nano second. And guess what? I've decided that MLK has more moral authority than you.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
quote: Ha ha ha ha ha. You mean like you do? Ha ha ha ha ha. -
quote: What the hell are you talking about? You not only characterized an entire people as homicidal terrorists, but you used language that expressed your utter contempt for this people. Let me copy your sentence here again, adding bold-face to indicate the relevant phrasing:
But the palestinians don't plan on doing what they cannot, wiping out ISrael in a few blasts - much as they salivate at the thought. Suppose I rewrite the sentence like this:
But the Jews don't plan on doing what they cannot, wiping out the Palestinians with a few military strikes - much as they salivate at the thought. Now if I had written such a thing, I would have been accused of anti-Semitism (and rightly so). "Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
quote: Ha ha ha ha. It was a combination of the Angles and the Saxons that conquered Celtic Britain. Ha ha ha ha ha. "Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
quote: A known perjurer? "Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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