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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5522 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
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Taz Member (Idle past 3313 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
buzsaw writes:
Um... you do realize that the industrialization of this country was lauched by a hand full of educated men rather than the general populace, right?
Among the planet's highest; educated enough to move along the advancement of the US to the most industrialized nation on the planet. If your kind of knuclehead, Lewis Black, had a tenth of the wisdom, understanding and decency as the average person of that era, he would know better than to make such a stupid and false statement.
Honestly, I don't know what kind of fairy land you've been living in. Neither the people in biblical times nor the people of the 19th century sofisticated in regard to human reason and morality. This is my problem with you, buz. You seem to dwell on the morals and reasons of people who were damn barbaric. These were the people that would conquer a city, kill every man, woman, and child in it, and then claim that god commanded them to do it. These were the same people that kidnapped random people on another continent, transported them in overcrowded slave ships where over half would die along the way, and then sell them as properties. You seem to be able to come up with all kinds of fairy land logic to justify all of these. You have any idea how horrified I am for the children in your congregation?
I'd describe it as an observational scientific reality. Lincoln had enough sense to realize it. What's your problem?
Wow, and you used the words "observational scientific" you must be really really smart. Here is what's up in academia. Everytime we hear someone tries to use words like "scientific" or "mathematically", we'd role our eyes knowing we are dealing with another case of the illiterate trying to sound smart. I'm going back to my example of little Mary proclaiming in a crowd of people that "we need more coolant" hoping to impress the nuclear engineers.
Mmmm, they must've read something in the OT of their Bible about what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah.
So, are you saying that AIDS really is god's punishment for gay people? Because if you are, I think the rest of the christian community should be embarrassed for your ignorance, buz. It's kind of pointless to have a punishment for a group of people that at the same time affect just about everyone else, don't you think? It's like me wanting to punish my son A by making A, B, C, and D do chores all day.
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5522 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Buz writes:
Correct. It was the fourth debate that took place in Charleston, IL, on September 18, 1958. [I've taken all my information from Fergus Bordewich's article in the September 2008 issue of Smithsonian ("Face The Nation," pp. 61-69)] Just a guess. Lincoln - Douglas debate? ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5522 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Taz writes:
You need anger-management therapy, my lad, along with an injection of anti-hyperbole medication. I think all these people should be hacked to death for giving the impression that history is boring, which it's not!...In short, the next time I see someone use the "but the founding fathers were christians" bullshit argument, I will wrap my hands around his throat, squeeze it, and yell into his face that the founding of this country was also based on the three fifths compromise. ”HM
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Hoot Mon writes: How about both? Suppose a Creator was in charge of creating all the animals, all the plants, etc., and that He predisposed upon his creation a method for arriving at the different races, animals, plants, etc. I've never understood why the creos so adamantly object to learning about the Creator's ways”about how He did it, about His evolutionary grace. According to the record, it was not by predisposition of God, but due to the actions of humanity that motivated God, the designer, to initiate multiple languages effecting the global migration and segregation of what we call tribes, tongues, and nations.
Hoot Mon writes: Or we need to understand that true and accurate historical accountings are as rare as transitional fossils. We have most of the original accounts of Lincoln history from various sources to examine. What is it that you question? BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Taz writes: By the way, it's "enslavement" and also try not to use the word "negro". "Black folks," I think, is adequate. What is inadequate about the word term negro? Noted blacks use it fairly regularly in media. Are you implying that only whites are to be allowed the word/term, caucasian which should not be used by blacks? BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3313 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
buzsaw writes:
It's borderline being offensive to some people. Sure, we could sit here all day discussing the philosohical implications of words being given such power by man and all that bullshit. Simple fact is it's something that I'd avoid if possible.
What is inadequate about the word term negro? Are you implying that only whites are to be allowed the word/term, caucasian which should not be used by blacks?
Last time I checked, African civilizations didn't systematically kidnap whites from Europe and transport them on slave ships that had a 50% death rate to distant places to be sold as property. Just remember that Jim Crow wasn't that long ago. We still need to be sensitive to this issue. Added by edit. It's like calling asians the "yellow race". Most people nowadays don't even know how the term came about or the implications behind it. Even most asians I know honest-to-goodness believe their skin has a hint of yellow in them, which isn't true at all. This phrase came about during the 1800s when there was a massive influx of Chinese immigration to North America. If you haven't noticed, asian people tend to smile and bow at you when they greet you. It's a cultural thing. But the American hicks and hillbillies at the time thought it was a sign of fear of the white man. The word "yellow" arose directly from the description of being "chicken" or having no guts at the time. After all, it is cultural for asian people to try to NOT make a big deal out of unpleasant things. If someone stepped on your foot, you'd probably feel irritated if the person doesn't apologize to you. But most typical asians would just ignore it and go on their merry way. Just don't mistake this as a sign of weakness. Will asian people take offense if you describe them as "yellow"? Probably not. But all it does is reveal your ignorance and insensitivity to race relations. Edited by Taz, : No reason given.
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5522 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Buz writes:
But historians often like to remember things differently, according to whatever argument they are trying to make. Let's not go back 150 years, but instead only 20, to the waning days of Reagan's administration. Historians like to remember him as the one who brought down the Soviet Union. That's pure poodle poop. Ask any Russian and he will tell you that Reagan had nothing to do with it. It was all internal. And yet The History Channel reports it otherwise. We have most of the original accounts of Lincoln history from various sources to examine. What is it that you question? Now, if we go back in history 2000 years, how can we be sure of anything anyone ever said, especially if the author never wrote it down? And if Jesus ever said anything recordable he didn't say it in English. Context can be lost in translation. So, how can we be sure that his biological mother was a virgin in the never-had-sexual-intercourse sense and not a virgin in the Greek-language sense, wherein a virgin can mean just a young woman? And how do I know if the recorders of the Lincoln-Douglas debate quoted the men correctly? There was no QA or media-industry standards at the time to verify the accuracy of the reporting...yadda, yadda. I guess my point in this thread is to show how easily we can persuaded by what we want to believe. ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5522 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Taz writes:
What a game it could be if Japan ever got pro football: The Washington Redskins against the Yokohama Yellow Peril. Will asian people take offense if you describe them as "yellow"? Probably not. But all it does is reveal your ignorance and insensitivity to race relations. ”HM
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Taz Member (Idle past 3313 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes:
I'm not angry. I'm just mentally imbalanced.
You need anger-management therapy
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
quote: In the sense that a group of people who were never educated, it would be true that they would be poorly equipped to become full members of a society that is based upon certain cultural, political, and social lessons. So we get to deny them their rights?
quote: You realize that you just argued that everybody should be gay, right? "The sexes are different inherently, somewhat ideologically, emotionally, physiologically, and culturally. Realistically, that stifles compatibility."
quote: Incorrect. There is at least one more option. Let's see if you can figure it out. The one I'm thinking of involves your "ID creator." What about your sentence involving the "ID creator" can be altered to create an option different from what you have claimed?
quote: Ah, here we go again: Refusing to accept intolerance is somehow declared to be "intolerance." If you don't like being called out as a racist bigot, Buzsaw, perhaps you should stop advocating racist bigotry.
quote: And once again, you argue that everybody should be gay. Hint: Does the word "culture" mean anything to you? Why is it you hang around with your friends and not with people who aren't your friends?
quote: And you wonder why you keep getting tagged as a bigot.
quote: And once again, we've got the "Doesn't kick puppies" mindset going on. Such black-and-white thinking, that in order to rise to the level of "bigot," one must be absolutely evil in all ways and if only we could show that the person doesn't kick puppies, then that's enough to declare him to be beyond reproach. That Lincoln wasn't a perfect angel doesn't make him a demon. And that he wasn't a perfect demon doesn't make him an angel. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes:
quote: What programs are you watching? I don't know a single historian who credits Reagan with bringing on the collapse of the Soviet Union. Republicans on talking-head shows will say it, but I haven't seen any historian make the claim. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Taz writes:
quote: Incorrect. The color-terminology that we have regarding racial classifications came about from Johann Friedrich Blumenbach (De generis humani varietate nativa, or On the Natural Varieties of Mankind, 1775), in the order he came up with: White, red, yellow, brown, and black, breaking down into what he would call Caucasian, American, Mongol, Malay, and Ethiopian, respectively. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Buzsaw responds to Taz:
quote:quote: Huh? The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah had nothing to do with homosexuality. We've been through this before. But at any rate, AIDS isn't a gay disease. It's a straight disease. Three-quarters of all cases of HIV transmission worldwide were through heterosexual sex. Another 20% were through IV drug use. Then comes mother-to-child transmission. Male-male sexual activity is actually a minor proportion and it is pretty much only in the United States that it is still predominantly male-male sexual activity. If "AIDS is god's punishment for gay people," then why is killing off everybody else? And since lesbians have the least risk of contracting HIV, why is god using a method that doesn't get rid of gay people? Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
It should turn into another homosexuality topic.
If someone wishes to mine some sort of race relations type theme out of this topic - Go to it and submit a new Coffee House topic. That new topic opening message should contain a defined theme and a position statement from the topic starter. The theme needs to be more than "I want to talk more about what was in the "Pop Quiz in American History 101" topic. Adminnemooseus Note by edit: Typo in first sentence, as quoted here. The sentence was intended to be "It should not turn into another homosexuality topic." Edited by Adminnemooseus, : See note above. New Members should start HERE to get an understanding of what makes great posts. Report a problem etc. type topics:
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