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Author Topic:   Arrogance of Elitism
Buzsaw
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Message 14 of 126 (483722)
09-23-2008 10:00 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by bluescat48
09-23-2008 4:03 PM


Example Of The Arrogance of Elitism
bluescat48 writes:
If someone could come up with a rational idea that shows that a God or gods could logically exist, then I might possibly become a theist, but there would have to be overwhelming evidence.
By the same token if someone could come up with a rational idea that a BB, originating from a submicroscopic speck, having no place to exist, no time to have existed and no place to expand into, emerged to become, naturally, what the universe is today, could have logically existed, then I might possibly become a BBist and evolutionist, but there would have to be overwhelming evidence.
This is a classic example of the hypocrisy of the secularistic arrogant elitist.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 18 of 126 (483804)
09-24-2008 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Blue Jay
09-24-2008 12:23 AM


Elitism's Dilemma
Bluejay writes:
What can we say to him? Everything that possibly can be said already has been said, all to no avail. Yet, every time someone whats to discuss the Laws of Thermodynamics on EvC, they will invariably have to deal with Buzsaw, and the debate will degenerate into yet another vain attempt to explain the most basic of thermodynamics concepts to him.
You poor souls -- my heart bleeds for you, in that there are dissenting POVs to yours and that of the majority.
You've stated it well: "Everything that possibly can be said already has been said, all to no avail."
If the time comes when perhaps you can come up with a new line other than, "we don't know," when it comes to things like where all energy, matter and forces came from relative to the BBT and the LoT which says no energy is created or destroyed, then you might begin making sense to logical folks like Buzsaw.
Edited by Buzsaw, : Add apostrophe

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 20 of 126 (483850)
09-24-2008 1:49 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by onifre
09-24-2008 1:03 PM


Re: Elitism's Dilemma
onifre writes:
Lets see if we can't correct your little tirad to sound more logical...
Should read...
"If the time comes when perhaps the highly intelligent physicist, who are directly working on the cosmic questions, can see fit to dumb-down their theories so that lesser educated simple folk like myself can understand it...we, I, Buzsaw, would be most grateful. As for now, the science behind cosmology is way over my head. I will no longer reveal my ignorance by pretending I understand any of these theories, nor will I presume that if I can't understand it, it does not mean the theory is wrong, it just means that I need to be better educated on the subject. I sincerely hope that I have not offended any of the physicist on this site who have tried so hard to help me, and I'll retreate to my books and ask questions when needed. My apologies --Buzsaw"
What do you think Buz...better?
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"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
(Embolding mine for emphasis)
Hi Onifre. I have quite high regard for your contributions here at EvC. I have emboldened your signature quote to say that what is considered scientifically blasphemous to today's physicist elitists may end up as truth in some tomorrow future period.
When logical arguments such as I have put forth are impugned as total idiocy, having no debatable merit, I consider that as elitist arrogancy.
My counterparts in the space sluggout, for example, are falsely maligning me as having no debatable points whatsoever and have not scored even a smidget of a point in the whole 10 page debate. That debate is a dandy example of elitist arrogance, imo. I was gracious enough to admit that my POV was debatable, but no; they can't so much as admit to a thing they said as debatable.
They consider their POV as absolutely empirical, all the while failing to empirically refute arguments which I made relative to the properties of space, etc; topics which are debated widely on the www by various science POVs. That, imo, is snobbish elitist arrogancy.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 25 of 126 (483917)
09-24-2008 8:58 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by onifre
09-24-2008 6:10 PM


Re: Elitism's Dilemma
onifre writes:
Buzsaw writes:
I have emboldened your signature quote to say that what is considered scientifically blasphemous to today's physicist elitists may end up as truth in some tomorrow future period.
Well, considering that people like cavediver or straggler are just simply trying to explain laws of physics to you, I don't think that would qualify them as being blasphemous.
It appears that you are misreading me. If you read carefully, hopefully you will see that I was saying that what physicist elitists consider as scientifically blasphemous i.e. not scientific, may be found to be truth in the future.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 52 of 126 (484044)
09-25-2008 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by PaulK
09-25-2008 7:07 PM


Re: The Buzsaw enemies
PaulK writes:
And the problem is Buzsaw's pride. He sees himself as some sort of superior being who doesn't have to do any real work. He can just magically come to the right answer by skimming sources he happens to like. He doesn't have to even bother to read or understand the responses he gets.
Who's being arrogant ? Buzsaw for pretending to expertise and understanding he doesn't have and isn't prepared to work for ? Or the people who HAVE done the work and point out Buzsaw's many errors, irrationalities and fabrications ?
PaulK, my understanding of things is radical IYO. Your arrogancy is that you think the majority POV must not be rigorously debated unless it makes sense to you. Well, your POV doesn't make sense to me. Just because one rigorously debates another view than yours and debates intensively on a minority POV, the one is considered by you as arrogant.
You've debated in a condescending arrogant manner towards me for years, so that's what I expect from you. You're not a pleasant member to dialog and debate with but you're around about 24/7 so it becomes necessary.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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