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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Would both firewalls be running or would PC-cillin turn off the windows one and leave its own running.
I would guess that both firewalls are active. But I'm mainly a unix person, so not the best source of Windows info.
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iano Member (Idle past 1941 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Righto NWR.
I'm no geek myself. But I can't see the harm in leaving IE open if Faith doesn't open new pages/sites. Faith. You there sis? We'll try turning off your firewalls and see if that lets things flow. I tried the IP you gave and got a bit more by way of response than before. Let me know if you're there and I'll explain how to turn off the firewalls. You can leave things like that a half hour then turn them back on and start working the net again
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Percy Member Posts: 22394 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
iano writes: No ones said so far but I presume Faith could see what I am doing if I'm connected? Yes. It looks like a ghost has taken over the computer. --Percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Sorry I had to be away from the computer a while, Ian, and will again in about an hour or maybe a little less.
I guess you could talk me through turning off the firewalls now if you're there. Edit: I clicked on PC-cillin and it's obvious how to disable that one in two places, for internet security and for viruses -- aren't both the same thing? Anyway, they are two separate parts of the software. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Presumably they're going to try to sell you AOL for Broadband, or convince you not to cancel your AOL account, etc. I'm sure they'll be very happy to remind you - constantly - that you can still use all the AOL services you know and love over your new DSL connection. They've sent me a letter confirming that they've officially ended my AOL service -- although I can still use it the way I always did so far. I have no idea what this means. It's a separate icon on the desktop, with the IE icon -- no AT&T icon. They already sold me AOL for Broadband -- that appears to be what this is, although it's through AT&T, or SBC global -- it's a one-year deal, after which I pay full price if I keep it. Meanwhile I don't understand what's happening.
It used to be notoriously difficult to cancel AOL service. Maybe that's still true. The customer service people really go for the hard sell. This is the weirdest possible way to go about it if that is their aim. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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iano Member (Idle past 1941 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Right. There are two possible firewalls: Windows own and the one that came with Pc-cillin. They act as barriers to people invading your PC (which I am attempting to do)
1st: Without a firewall, any clicking on things allows stuff to enter your PC from the web so when without a firewall you'd best not click on anything. No click = no incoming data = no incoming bad stuff. After disabling firewalls click on nothing on the web. After disabling firewalls let it about 1/2 hour then re-enable your firewalls before working the web again. Confirm understood 2nd Disabling Windows firewall. Click on "start" Click on " control panel" Click on "Security centre" Click on " Windown firewall" (down the bottom) Tick the "off" (not recommended)" dot on the pop up screen that you get and ok that. Affirm anything that comes with it 3rd Click to open PC-cillan (it's probably on your taskbar. See if you can find something that says "firewall on" and see if you can find a way to turn off the firewall and affirm warning messages that may occur. Follow your nose on this as I'm not familar with what it looks like. 4th Irrespective of what happens. In 30 minutes or so: turn on your firewalls. It will have either worked or no. Ensure your firewalls are back on before clicking on the web pages 5th Okay this message and begin.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Sorry Ian. I did disable PC-cillin for a few minutes WHILE I was on EVC forum. It's enabled again but who knows.
HOWEVER, I'm now going to go off the internet and turn them both off for thirty minutes and you can do as you please. My daughter will turn them both back on in thirty minutes if I am out, which I expect to be. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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iano Member (Idle past 1941 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
If you can disable all of PC-cillan then fine. That will disable the PC-cillin firewall. Better to poke around to find the firewall bit though and disable that alone. To be sure. But...
Figure out if you can do that first but don't do it yet. Confirm you've found where there is the option of disabling the PC-cillin firewall then get back here and confirm. Then we'll set a 30 minutes tryout. On my go you disable the PC-cillin firewall and the Window firewall as described. In 30 minutes you renable them and get back here to say so. (If you find the Windows firewall is already ticked as "off" when you go to disable then leave as is - its already off) Edited by iano, : No reason given.
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iano Member (Idle past 1941 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Missed the bit above about you turning off the internet. Without internet connected I have no way to connect. Will email you tomorrow.
Night sis
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
If you can disable all of PC-cillan then fine. That will disable the PC-cillin firewall. Better to poke around to find the firewall bit though and disable that alone. To be sure. But... Figure out if you can do that first but don't do it yet. Confirm you've found where there is the option of disabling the PC-cillin firewall then get back here and confirm. Then we'll set a 30 minutes tryout. On my go you disable the PC-cillin firewall and the Window firewall as described. PC cillin has a disable-internet security button and a disable-virus protection button or soemthing like that. Two buttons anyway. I can disable both or one or the other. Windows security is pretty straightforward. Just let me know when. I should be here most of tomorrow. I closed AOL but IE is always "on" isn't it? Or do I have to maximize it for it to be open?
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
A little clarification here.
You do not need to have IE open to be connected to the internet. Closing IE just closes your browser. It doesn't close the internet. With DSL you should be connected all the time. When you open AOL, that temporarily assigns you a different IP address. Your computer still has the SBC address, but you can't do much with it, because Windows will want to use the AOL address for everything. So if you want Iano to be able to connect to your SBC IP address, you do need to close AOL. However, it does not matter at all whether you keep IE open or not. You might have to also shutdown the Windows firewall. You can find it with START -> Accessories -> System Tools -> Security Center (that's from memory - I hope I have it right). If you normally run with PC-Cillin firewall, then it is probably safe to leave the Windows firewall permanently off. Compassionate conservatism - bringing you a kinder, gentler torture chamber
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Taz Member (Idle past 3292 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
You seem a little paranoid about people getting control of your computer and do some evil thing like take over the world with it. Mind telling us why the suspense?
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
gasby (to Faith) writes:
She should be concerned. This is not paranoia. This is wisdom. You seem a little paranoid about people getting control of your computer and do some evil thing like take over the world with it. Mind telling us why the suspense? As I write this, there are thousands (perhaps millions) of computers that have been taken over by criminals, and are being used for illegal activities including extortion and identity theft. And I am talking of the computers owned by ordinary end users on cable and dsl connections. Compassionate conservatism - bringing you a kinder, gentler torture chamber
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Taz Member (Idle past 3292 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Then do what I do and don't have anything on your computer that might lead to your demise.
Besides, it's a brand new computer. What could she possibly have on there that could enable someone to do some evil thing with her identity or whatever? The worst that could happen is she'd get a virus from a geek in a garage somewhere... what are the chances of that happening?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
What could she possibly have on there that could enable someone to do some evil thing with her identity or whatever? If you go to the wrong webpage, with the wrong settings for ActiveX and Javascript, IE will drop one of a hundred nasty rootkits right onto your machine. The risk is even greater on broadband if you're not behind some kind of NAT. The really nasty rootkits ping their information back to the hacker; he just drops in and takes control of your machine, raids your files, turns your machine into a spam-sending zombie. The next thing you know you're persona non grata on the internet and your ISP cuts you off before you get them in trouble with a spam blacklist. Look, the days when everybody knew that "Good Times" was a myth and you couldn't get a virus from an email are long over. The viruses will simply install themselves to your PC without you needing to do anything at all. Of course one of the first things it'll do is disable your virus protection software.
The worst that could happen is she'd get a virus from a geek in a garage somewhere... what are the chances of that happening? If your computer is at all connected to the outside world, I'd say about 100% if you wait long enough. Bought an iPod lately? About 10,000 of them recently shipped infected by a common Windows virus. Every now and then a virus makes its way onto the gold master for one or another commercially avaliable software packages and infects another couple thousand people. Something on the order of 60% or more of PC's are infected with some kind of malware. The best defense these days is a healthy dose of paranoia. Seriously. Learn to be PC paranoid.
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