War and Majority

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Think that's going to happen to any arabic looking ... and a US CONGRESSMAN?

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Heck, that's prbably why he got a reduced sentence....

I promised some sources on my claims about the Bushes.I couldn't find the original sources where I had read everything, but it didn't take long to find these new ones and with some caveats they'll do just fine.Clearly some of this must be read keeping in mind where the article is coming from. I'm not an idiot and can see when an article is slanted or trying to build up a conspiracy theory. Some of these articles contain such problems.That said, they contain enough bits of truth that are recognizable as such and should lead you to more sources on whatever particular topic you are interested in.These are the FACTS which should become obvious.:1)Daddy Bush had connections with, and helped build up, many of the foes the US later "had to face."2)Junior and Daddy had connections to the BinLadens through oil, construction, and defense deals despite continued money ties to Osama and other terrorist groups. I had not realized their defense connection until reading these--- I mistakenly thought Carlyle was oil--- and this makes everything even worse. I will admit the oil connections seem less than 100% certain (or dubious) than I had thought earlier, but those defense ties... yikes.3)Before 9-11, Junior helped squash federal investigations into terrorist connections of the BinLadens (Osama and more).4)After 9-11, Junior had the BinLadens protected and shipped out of the US, unlike 1000's of other foreign nationals with less ties to terrorists than the BinLadens. And he did it for THEIR protection nonetheless. Thanks, Dubya. Let's us really know where his priorities were.5)The Bush and BinLaden family accounts have not been closed, nor investigated, on the word of the BinLadens that they have totally disowned Osama. Okayyyyyy, well how about the money they send to other terrorist groups or their support to "martyrs" and their families. Such things like that get other people and organizations shut down or at least investigated. Remember Saudi Arabia even had a telethon in support of "martyrs" after 9-11, no BinLadens contributed?Check the following links, and by all means do more searches. The facts really are pretty easy to find.Page not found - SF Weekly
[Raises questions about saudi-Bush business connections, but clearly affirms that the Binladen family was allowed to flee.]Page Not Found - The Texas Observer
[More detailed account of Junior's activity with the BinLaden's in Oil (though sketchy)through Arbusto,plus defense contracts and more (much clearer) through the Carlyle group.]Cloudflare Captcha Page | Web.com
[Daddy and Junior's connections to the BinLaden's through Carlyle group.] Page Not Found: 404 Not Found -
[Evacuation of BinLaden family from the US (spun in a positive way, and contradicts Moore's version of it being done while other flights were grounded... but uhmmmm, did we let any other family's out of the US after those attacks? Why didn't we put them under the same "protection" poorer arab people had to face?)]americanfreepress
{Shortened this one down, to keep page from being over wide - Adminnemooseus}
[A bit of paranoia mongering for sure, but some facts within relating to Bush-Saudi Oil dealings(Arbusto/Harken).]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/events/newsnight/1645527.stm
FBI claims Bin Laden inquiry was frustrated | World news | The Guardian
[Very good pieces detailing the suspicions and some factual statements regarding everything I had written, plus the Bush squashing of investigations on the BinLaden's BEFORE 9-11, and having to reverse that policy afterward (too late once the BinLadens were whisked out of the US).] George W. Bush And Harken Oil - Recovered History | Scoop News
[Kind of a timeline on the oil deals with Saudis.]http://knowthetruth.b0x.com/...h-Binladen/bush-binladen.html
[Obviously some slant comes with this, but the facts are still there.]http://www.buzzflash.com/...ibutors/2002/05/08_Bush_Oil.html
[Additional paranoia... I have no idea how much of this is true or not (Enron-Bush-Ridge-oil-Afghanistan), but I hope it's not. Someone please tell me things aren't this bad.]TBR News » Page not found
[More detailed description of timeline involving Harken-Arbusto-Carlyle connections.]http://prorev.com/bush2.htm
[Great recap piece. Timeline of the Bushes in action. There is A LOT of paranoid throwaway bits (connecting Bush to the JFK assassination? come on), but the good stuff is gold. With Bonus bits on Junior's brother's involvement in the S&L fiasco (forget about that part? It's all public record).]holmes [This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 02-08-2003][This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 02-11-2003]

I note that our very own President, Tony Blair (well, he sidelines Parliament over trivial issues like war) has been left looking like a muppet after it was revealed that the dossier on Iraq turned out to be a bit less 'exquisite' than Colin Powell had initially claimed.

I wish someone would ....

As far as the justification of war goes, i'm for it if for no other reason but to justify studing history in school. I don't know if anyone has brought this up yet or not but, as many people know, after WW1 Germany was forced to sign a document that seperated its boundries and greatly reduced their power. Well since no one liked conflict or war that treaty was ignored. By the time Hitler was killing jews it was too late to do anything about it but start another world war, should we let the same thing happen with Irag?

On 18th March, Tony Blairachieved a comfortable victory on the disarm by any means issue. From memory the vote was in the order of 450 for - 150 against.Mark

News come in that when Israeli soldiers bulldozed homes and killed several Palestinian civilians, their list of victims now include an American civilian! 23-year-old Rachel Corrie was ran over by an IDF bulldozer when she tried to stop them from destroying civilian homes.News from here, here, and here.These are her reasons.Okay, Israel killed an innocent American civilian. Lets declare war on Israel!

She wasn't exactly an innocent American...And lets look at the facts..She ran in front of an armor plated bulldozer made to withstand running over bombs, with not what one would call unlimited visibility. She was yelling stop to someone who most likely could not hear her(bulldozers are rather loud).I chaulk this up to darwinism at work, one less moron to spoil the gene pool.

Ah, liberals. They cheer if you shout "Free Tibet!" but boo if you shout "Free Iraq"! They're all about human rights unless war is involved. Iraqis in liberated towns cheer, dance, and tear down Saddam posters while protestors burn American flags in Portland. I'm sure the families of troops killed in the war are flattered to see that on TV, as are the commuters, some themselves antiwar, who can't get to work because of the poster-clad fools blocking traffic, diverting police away from their jobs, one of which is looking for terrorists. Of course, these protestors are the same kinds of people who would have protested a war against Hitler in 1939 so I guess reason wouldn't be their strong point.The goal of the current action is to depose Saddam's regime. If the war were to stop Saddam would retain power. It is the goal of the antiwar protestors to stop the war. Therefore I submit to you that if you are opposed to the war, you are a supporter of Saddam Hussein. Hussein even wrote a letter several weeks back thanking the first wave of peace protests. Now let's think about this. If Adolf Hitler wrote you a letter thanking you for something you did, you would probably think twice about doing that again, wouldn't you? But the protestors haven't stopped; they've just gotten more violent. This morning they maced NYPD officers. I thought those New York cops were still heroes from 9/11. How quickly people forget.

How much of a threat is a bunch of people who brandish AKs and live in Afghani caves? Well they managed to kill a few thousand Americans a couple years ago. And Saddam has WMD they only dream of.Plus there are the human rights violations, which are comparable to Hitler's. Anyone remember Milosevic? Why didn't we go after Saddam then as well? Here, have a look:http://usinfo.state.gov/regional/nea/iraq/iraq99d.htm[This message has been edited by gene90, 03-23-2003]

By your reasoning, the US should get to invade and bomb the hell out of any country with a leadership that WE think needs to go.How insanely arrogant and short-sighted.Why don't we then invade and bomb:Cuba
Ireland
Several African countries
Several South American countries
North Korea
ChinaIt is NO MISTAKE that half of the American public believes that we are attacking Iraq in retaliation for 9/11. That is the administration's carefully-crafted lie to get people to support it.Iraq is no more of a threat to us than Cuba.Why didn't we attack Iraq all those years ago whe Saddam was at war with Iran? He was just as cruel and crazy a bastrd to his people then as he is now. He just isn't useful to us any more.It might be good for his people that he will be gone, but don't try to say that Bush et al are invading for any kind of humanitarian reasons.It's the oil.We want to put in a regime that will do what we want so we can get to their oil.

If you think its the oil you are not as bright as you think you are..Iraq produces a miniscule amount of oil compared to the rest of OPEC.Saddam is using banned weapons that he claimed not to have, he was/is pursuing WMD, he WILL give them to terrorists to use against US civilians. He has used them against his own people, he is an aggressor(he invaded Kuwait for THEIR OIL) he invaded Iran and over 1 million died.It must be nice to ignore the threats of Saddam, his WMD and his complete willingness to give them to terrorists when you live in an area that has absolutely no threat of terrorist attacks. Ahh to be able to live in complete ignorance and only see the facts you want to see..

I don't actually believe that Iraq has WMD.We have been assured that they do, but I don't think the evidence is there.Can you show me some?I's readily change my mind if you could show me some firm evidence that they have them.By contrast, North Korea actually has WMD.Why aren't we invading them?Oh, and I'll bet that we have banned weapons that we claim not to have, but nobody is able to bully us into coughing them up.You made no comment at all about the rest of my post, including how we used to be fine with Hussein's barbaric treatment of his people. So, the "humanitarian" issue is a silly one to consider when deciding the moticves of this administration.In addition, what about this administration's success in misleading the American public into thinking that Saddam Hussein is responsible for the September 11 attacks?

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I chaulk this up to darwinism at work, one less moron to spoil the gene pool.

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Your compassion is truly inspiring.

I guess Iraqi scientists who have defected and said they are working on them, or have them is not good enough. I guess the Anthrax they acknowledged to have had is not good enough, I guess them using BANNED scuds and other missles isn't proof enough. I guess the proof you are looking for is an iraqi supplied chemical weapon going off in another US city. But I am sure where ever you are is quite safe so keep the head in the sand.North Korea WOULDN'T have had WMD if Clinton and Carter had been able to do anything except talk and hope. But now that do have nukes dealing with them is a bit more complicated than dealing with Iraq who can be stopped before they can cause any more harm.Living in NY I know who is responsible for 9/11. Osama and a weak administration that did nothing when terrorists attacked us before. As to the rest of the nation? I am already quite certain that a good number of Americans are almost legally brain dead, that kind of stupidity does not surprise me. That said, Osama AND Hussain would like to see the deaths of a great many Americans.
I could care less about the rest of you post which is why I didn't address it. You are saying the war is about oil, how about addressing my claim that Iraqi oil production is miniscule and that the oil we would get control off is not worth the effort?