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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Yes, I do realise that this particular section of the forum is a sceince forum, and I am also aware that Divine Providence caused the flood to happen. Sometimes we just have to except that 'goddidit'. Here's how it goes: Sports is a Social Sphere, Politics is also a Scoial Sphere. Sports and politics interact with eachother (laws on sport, country teams, national pride, Prime Minister/Queen rewarding players of a sports team etc). Science is a Social Shpere, the sphere in which we learn about the natural world and how it works. Religion is also a Social Sphere, the sphere in which laws of morality are given and the sphere in which people worship their chosen god or choose to live their life. Religion and Politics interact, for instance here in the United Kingdom our Head of State (HM Queen Elizabeth II) is also Head of the Anglican Church and titled Defender of the Faith (whoes agreement is needed in the law making process). Also there are Bishops in the House of Lords (which agreement are needed in the law making process). Science and Religion also interact (well Religion tries its best, but Science has none of it), Religion lays down ethic and moral laws for science to abide by in its functions. Also Science gives an explaination to Religion for how photosythensis works. So because some {A} is {B} and some {B} is {C} then some {A} is {C}? Not a true conclusion. Science is partly social and partly a-social -- the conclusions about the truth of reality from science have nothing to do with any social function or kind of social organization. The earth will orbit the sun whether you believe it or not. Photosynthesis will continue to operate whether you know how it works or not, nor will it's existence decide the presidential election.
But often Science comes with the attitude of "Leave God out of this", Not really, science is not concerned with supernatural because it has no way to measure or quantify things outside the natural world. A blind man cannot tell you what color the wall is on his own. Science investigates what it can about the real world, and we can develop instruments that will measure the relative spectrum absorption vs reflection of light from surfaces, and be able to tell you what their color will be. The basic assumption of objective reality is that there are basic natural laws that operate, and that by understanding them we can better understand the truth of the world of objective reality. But where did those "laws" come from? Science may not be able to tell the color of the walls there. So if you believe in (a) creation, as many scientists do, then you can think of science as sitting down next to god and saying "tell me how you did this?"
I have never heard a Bishop saying "Leave science out of it", that would be most unusual. God plays little part in Science and Science plays little part in Religion because they are both two entirly different Scoial Spheres, I really think you mean independent intellectual concepts not social spheres. Religion, like philosophy, to be valid must be solidly based in the world of objective reality, or it becomes the playground for loonies (see flat earther).
However this does not mean God has no place in Science, since he did invent it. Just like a Clergyman acknowlaging a baby is born due to the fushion of a sperm and egg cell, or a Scientist acknowlaging that the baby is given a soul by God when it forms. So yes this is a Science forum, but yes I can also say "goddidit". A scientist looks at a set of evidence and says because of {A}, {B} happens, because of {B}, {C} happens, and because of {C}, {D} happens. A creationist looks at a set of assumptions, assumes {E} happens and says because of {A} plus god-did-it, {E} happens. This is nothing more than wishful thinking. What you are saying then is "I don't know, I don't have a clue, and I don't WANT to know, because I like to think 'god-did-it' provides the answer to how objective reality works, and I don't care how my beliefs relate to reality" On this forum we are interested in sitting down next to god and saying "is this how you did it?" Asking the question and expecting to get an answer from the objective evidence that is provided. Enjoy. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... fully aware that evolutionary science dates Neogene fossils ... Can you tell me which "evolutionary science" is used to date fossils? Let's start with the natural science reference to biological sciences that include evolutionary biology:
quote: You can also check biological science and evolutionary biology for dating methods. Just curious. Just because you don't like something, even something scientific, that doesn't make it "evolutionary" or "evolutionist" - especially when what you are talking about is something unrelated to evolution - the change in hereditary traits in populations from generation to generation. If somebody has told you so, then they are telling you lies.
"Is the catastrophy theory wrong or are You mean like the geological (stratigraphy), chemical (detecting Iridium) and physical (radiometric) dating methods used to date the catastrophic world-wide demise of the dinosaur era by the impact of a meteor, as well as similar earlier catastrophes that also resulted in mass world-wide extinctions (hence their being real catastrophes)? That "catastrophe theory?" Enjoy. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
How do you explain coral? Especially on mountain tops?
(hint) Enjoy. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
can I say mahi mahi mahi ... (that's a nice looking ... um, fish)?
Edited by RAZD, : subtitle we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hellow antiLie,
I am a creationists. You have also said a couple of times that you "disagree with evolution" - would you join me on the new thread, "Evolution is simple. What's to disagree with?", to discuss what you disagree with concerning evolution and why? Thanks. Edited by RAZD, : clarity by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
RAZD; they closed the thread, here is my reply. ... Biological macroevolution requires long periods of time for dramatic changes to take effect. ... I believe that we did not have the time claimed by the assumptions made by some evidences. ... We can discuss what you think are "dramatic" changes on the "Dogs will be Dogs wil be ???" thread, and we can discuss the time issue on the "Age Correlations and an Old Earth", especially as ...
Respondents please keep your replies on topic. Issues not related to the topic should be taken up in other threads. --Admin ... there's no fish here ... Edited by RAZD, : dogs and fish? by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
see Evolution Theory Explains Diversity - same thread, new name, new forum ...
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