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Dr Adequate
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Message 28 of 91 (441904)
12-19-2007 9:13 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by noachian
12-19-2007 8:26 AM


Oh yes, fully aware that evolutionary science dates Neogene fossils over 20m years...
True, apart from the word "evolutionary".
... the question you should be asking (yourself) is "Is the catastrophy theory wrong or are evolutionary sciences dating methods wrong?"
Yes, everyone should ask that question. And the answer is ... drumroll please ... the story about the magic flood is wrong.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 29 of 91 (441907)
12-19-2007 9:27 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by noachian
12-19-2007 8:44 AM


Unfalsifiability
Sometimes we just have to except that 'goddidit'.
Speak for yourself.
So yes this is a Science forum, but yes I can also say "goddidit".
But not to any purpose.
Suppose someone comes to us with a new idea about gravity, and we do the calculations, and we find that according to his hypothesis planets under the influence of gravity would move in triangular orbits. So we go to him and point this out, and say that in fact the planets move in elliptical orbits.
"Ah yes," he says, "but my hypothesis only says what planets would do under the influence of gravity. But in fact (as I forgot to mention while explaining my hypothesis) the planets do not move solely under the influence of gravity; they are also being pushed around by magical invisible angels. So the observation that planets move in ellipses doesn't prove me wrong."
At that point he is not doing science. You can always imagine a miracle to explain the discrepancy between your beliefs and observation, but when you do so you go beyond the confines of the scientific method.
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Message 43 of 91 (442122)
12-20-2007 9:00 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by Grashnak
12-20-2007 8:03 AM


I haven't got any answer to these questions I have, so I dont belive there was a flood, therefore the bible lies about it and I dont belive in god.
Something of a leap of logic there, I fear.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 69 of 91 (448562)
01-14-2008 12:09 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by imageinvisible
01-07-2008 5:09 PM


Re: Where is the Evidence?
Hince an obsevation that seems to support a global flood, that even when we find land animals they are generally buried with water borne creatures.
But this is not true, which is why you have no evidence for it.
Evolutionist claim that the geological column was greated over hundreds of millions of years, however there is a large amount of observational data that indicates otherwise.
But this is not true, which is why you have no evidence for it.
More observable evidence of a recent catostrophic global flood, and the resultant adaptation of surviving species to the new, greatly altered, environment; as well as the subsiquent extinction of those that could not adapt. This same 'bottlekneck' can be found in almost every species alive today, including humans.
But this is not true, which is why you have no evidence for it.
They are proof of an organisms ability to adapt to a particular environment. This process does not add any new genetic information, it can only work with what it has and for the most part results in a loss of genetic divercity/variability.
But this is not true, which is why you have no evidence for it.
The evidence for both sides is the same only the starting presuppositions are different.
And this is the Biggest Creationist Lie Of Them All.
We are not looking at the same evidence. Scientists look at evidence. Creationists look at made-up nonsense for which they have no evidence. As you have just demonstrated.

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Message 74 of 91 (448604)
01-14-2008 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by imageinvisible
01-14-2008 3:21 AM


Re: Where is the Evidence?
And DrAdiquate down there has just demonstrated the tendancy for evolutionists to arbitrarily discount anything that a creationist says ...
But this is not true. I am not "arbitrarily" discounting anything that you say.
I am pointing out that certain specific statements that you have made are not true, which is why you have no evidence for them.
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