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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 241 of 292 (308034)
04-30-2006 6:46 PM
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Reply to: Message 239 by kalimero
04-30-2006 9:55 AM
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Re: acts of god inevitably happen
But I used the same arguement you did! No you didn't, you were all over the place, and the logic did not match mine, thats why I said what I said.
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 242 of 292 (308035)
04-30-2006 6:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 237 by Modulous
04-30-2006 1:48 AM
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Re: that ain't no accident, boy
If I accidentally knock over my glass, its no accident that the floor gets wet. This is where you get confusing. Do you think it is an accident that the floor got wet, or not? I think it is.
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Modulous
Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: 05-01-2005
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Message 243 of 292 (308037)
04-30-2006 6:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 242 by riVeRraT
04-30-2006 6:47 PM
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Re: that ain't no accident, boy
How is it an accident that floor gets wet after you spilled a drink? When you knock a glass over the liquid will inevitably get the floor wet. Its going to happen. Just like sperm will swim to an egg and your finger will get infected if you cut it on a rusty nail.
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nator
Member (Idle past 2195 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 244 of 292 (308079)
04-30-2006 8:53 PM
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Reply to: Message 240 by riVeRraT
04-30-2006 6:46 PM
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Why do you keep repeating yourself, when I already responded to those accusations of yours?
You may have written some words that you thought was a substantive response, but you most certainly did not manage it. And anyway, this "I wasn't in my right mind, just like some insane people who don't get convicted of murder when they kill other people" argument of yours is brand new. It's fine if you want to avoid answering my challenge to this new argument. The readers of this thread can judge for themselves who has the better ground to stand on. This message has been edited by schrafinator, 04-30-2006 09:29 PM
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nator
Member (Idle past 2195 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 245 of 292 (308088)
04-30-2006 9:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 236 by riVeRraT
04-29-2006 11:19 PM
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oh, and for the record...
You, for most of this thread, have adamantly argued that abortion is obviously and clearly a black and white issue. You have made statments which say that abortion is murder, and that getting an abortion is no different from killing a four year old child. quote:
Clearly I have not argued this.
Oh no?I think you have, perhaps not in so many words. However, the above are the logical consequences of your statements. Here's your direct words from message #115 in this thread:
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There is no difference between interupting life in the womb, as interupting life of say a 5 year old.
Also, in message #108 of this thread, you wrote:
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I would really respect all of those who are for abortion much more if they would just admit that life begins at inception,
...to which I responded with the following post (and you never replied to):
Inception just means "beginning", so saying "Life starts when it begins" is really a meaningless statement. Do you mean "life begins at conception"? OK, then, if you believe that life begins at conception, then do you suggest that IUD's and other forms of birth control which prevent implantation be banned, as they essentially give no place for this "life" to embed itself? Also, since many, if not most, fertilized eggs never implant and are therefore flushed out of the body during menstruation, do you suggest collecting all of the monthly discharge of all women and search it for the fertilized eggs? I mean, it surely seems that you are saying that these fertilized eggs are precious life with just as much right to protection as a newborn infant. ARE you saying that all life (which begins at conception, according to you) has as much right to protection and justice as a newborn infant or an adult person? This message has been edited by schrafinator, 04-30-2006 09:26 PM
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 246 of 292 (308173)
05-01-2006 8:55 AM
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Reply to: Message 243 by Modulous
04-30-2006 6:51 PM
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Re: that ain't no accident, boy
Did you intend to knock the glass over?
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 247 of 292 (308175)
05-01-2006 9:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 245 by nator
04-30-2006 9:10 PM
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Re: oh, and for the record...
ARE you saying that all life (which begins at conception, according to you) has as much right to protection and justice as a newborn infant or an adult person? I think they should have rights. I am not sure about what level of rights, since we are where we are. Remember, I once thought it was ok, so it is difficult for me.
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 248 of 292 (308177)
05-01-2006 9:05 AM
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Reply to: Message 244 by nator
04-30-2006 8:53 PM
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It's fine if you want to avoid answering my challenge to this new argument. The readers of this thread can judge for themselves who has the better ground to stand on. Has nothing to do with better ground to stand on. I think you shouldn't even approach this arguement at all. Tell me, did I make my decision part in due to abortion being legal, or illegal?
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Modulous
Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: 05-01-2005
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Message 249 of 292 (308181)
05-01-2006 9:23 AM
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Reply to: Message 246 by riVeRraT
05-01-2006 8:55 AM
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Re: that ain't no accident, boy
Did you intend to knock the glass over? Nope, it was unintentional
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nator
Member (Idle past 2195 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 250 of 292 (308191)
05-01-2006 9:36 AM
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Reply to: Message 247 by riVeRraT
05-01-2006 9:03 AM
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Re: oh, and for the record...
ARE you saying that all life (which begins at conception, according to you) has as much right to protection and justice as a newborn infant or an adult person? quote:
I think they should have rights. I am not sure about what level of rights, since we are where we are. Remember, I once thought it was ok, so it is difficult for me.
Yes, I realize it is difficult for you. It is difficult for anyone who takes this issue seriously. As you say, it is not black and white. However, you have been making definitive statements all along, such as the one declaring that interfering with life in the womb and the life of a 5 year old are the same action. Perhaps, if you really believe that the issue is difficult and is composed of shades of gray, you 1) might reconsider making such statements, and 2) be willing to amend your stance when people call these inconsistencies to your position to your attention. This message has been edited by schrafinator, 05-01-2006 09:36 AM
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nator
Member (Idle past 2195 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 251 of 292 (308192)
05-01-2006 9:41 AM
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Reply to: Message 248 by riVeRraT
05-01-2006 9:05 AM
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Tell me, did I make my decision part in due to abortion being legal, or illegal?
According to what you have reported here, you made the decision, in part, because abortion is legal. Giving up the infant to be adopted is also legal. Did you make your decision, in part, based upon adoption being legal?
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 252 of 292 (308397)
05-02-2006 6:43 AM
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Reply to: Message 249 by Modulous
05-01-2006 9:23 AM
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Re: that ain't no accident, boy
Does birth control have intentions?
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 253 of 292 (308399)
05-02-2006 6:46 AM
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Reply to: Message 250 by nator
05-01-2006 9:36 AM
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Re: oh, and for the record...
However, you have been making definitive statements all along, such as the one declaring that interfering with life in the womb and the life of a 5 year old are the same action. I said it could be considered worse.
Perhaps, if you really believe that the issue is difficult and is composed of shades of gray, you 1) might reconsider making such statements, and 2) be willing to amend your stance when people call these inconsistencies to your position to your attention. I will state what is on my mind. If I am wrong, I can learn. There are no inconsistencies in my statements, only your implications, which are just your opinion.
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 254 of 292 (308400)
05-02-2006 6:47 AM
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Reply to: Message 251 by nator
05-01-2006 9:41 AM
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Did you make your decision, in part, based upon adoption being legal? I wasn't giving my child up for adoption, there is no logic in bringing that up.
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Modulous
Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: 05-01-2005
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Message 255 of 292 (308414)
05-02-2006 7:28 AM
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Reply to: Message 252 by riVeRraT
05-02-2006 6:43 AM
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Re: that ain't no accident, boy
Does birth control have intentions? Birth control itself has no more intention than the glass does. It has a purpose, those that employ them have intentions. To keep the floor dry or the cervix sperm free/the egg unfertilized etc. I appreciate that breaking it down into single questions might help understanding, just bear in mind that there are only 45 posts left or less by the time others have made their responses. This message has been edited by Modulous, Tue, 02-May-2006 12:33 PM
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