mentally, the ark makes sense...

Are you the post who on the Delphi Forums post under zhwang, xonona, leiferiksen and about 60 other aliases? Because your posts sure sound just like his.Just curious.

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It is stubborn anti-scientific attitude to stick to denegrating ANY bible message just out of hand, and it is just dishonest, too.
But, why wpuld supposed honest educated science people argue aagainst literal interpretations and merely ridicule metaphorically?
Because they are simple against the Bible and the Bible people, totally.

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It would be nice if you don't outright lie about science, thanks. Some Bible verses are rejected "just out of hand" because they have been proven to be flat-out wrong. Your claim of scientific conspiracy against the Bible is an outright LIE. Please cease bearing false witness.

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The chance of the exact right genes coming together, to recreate a person, we know is a long shot.

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A creationist misrepresentation long ago debunked. Are you interested in links to that?

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But the pool is gigantic at populations of 6.66 billion people now.

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You are a bit to high in your estimation.

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Still, the thing is that Jung and freud thought that our Unconscious Mind, 75% of the mind, is a storehouse of our whole phylogenetic existence as a species.

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Also a false claim.

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They thought that it had tremendous input which we are unaware of, and that there was a metaphysical Collective contact between us all, via this resource.

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Please document this claim about Freud and Jung. And when you are done with that, please document that such belief actually had some facts to it. I have heard of people who believe that the Earth is flat. Does the existence of their belief lend legitimacy to their claim or is the foundation of your claim just pure nonsense?

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It is recreated, our Unconscious Mind, in the reconstructing of the next generation. It contains the memories, and metabolic programs, and instincts, stored to operate unconsciously.

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Please provide the actual, scientific evidence of this postulation of yours.

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The Unconscious Mind has been storing long accumulations of our conscious behavior, to,...so we may have a jolt WHEN it becomes conscious, just as our subconscious has been so enhanced this last century.

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Please provide evidence of your nonsense about the "subconscious" enhancement.

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In that storehouse is a replay, or a play back, of our life, lives, even the whole evolutionary trek of our part in the species itself.

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Because you say so? Baloney.

wow!
That is interesting.Where did you meet the 60 people who believe these things?What forum or message board did you encounter these believers on?And, could you be more specific, I mean what exactly are you referring to, the metaphor?The idea that it makes sense, mentally, that Noah's story in Genesis concerns the surge in the Modern Homo sapiens populations @ 40,000 years of "days and nights" ago?Are you referring to having heard others now repeating this, that it was us, we who sort of "rained down upon the world" which we now know had been dominated by Neandethal Man?Or, are you referring the intuitive conclusions that we are resurrected by means of the genetically reproduced Unconscious Mind which we obviously all carry around in the "ark-like" skull of our most recently evolved being?Thoughts of Carl Jung:The Collective Unconscious is a storehouse of all the experiences of humankind transmitted to each individual. As the repository for all past experiences, it includes even our pre-human animal ancestry. (Assumably through the genetic processes.) It becomes the primary base of a person's pyche, directing and influencing behavior. It is the deepest and most inaccessable level of the psyche. Jung believed that a person accumulates and files all of his past experiences, so does humankind, collectively.Whereas in the Personal Unconscious , each of us stores our individual accumulated experiences, in the Collective Unconscious, humankind as a whole accumulates the experiences of the human and prehuman species, and passes this wealth of experience on to each new generation. The Collective Unconscious then contains the entire catalog of experiences that have marked human evolution, and it is repeated in the brain of every human being in every generation.This message has been edited by kofh2u, 07-02-2004 06:48 AM

I think he was refering to your style rather than your content Kofh2u.TTFN,WK

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wow!
That is interesting.
Where did you meet the 60 people who believe these things?
What forum or message board did you encounter these believers on?

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Perhaps you weren't paying attention? Zhwang posts under about 60 aliases on the Delphiforums.com message boards. And your posts and arguments are very much like his in their type of arguments, their illogical conclusions and odd agenda.(ZHWANG, BTW is a vegan zooaster with a nordic racist bend. It is not clear if you follow this, which is why I am asking you if you ARE zhwang or not)

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And, could you be more specific, I mean what exactly are you referring to, the metaphor?The idea that it makes sense, mentally, that Noah's story in Genesis concerns the surge in the Modern Homo sapiens populations @ 40,000 years of "days and nights" ago?

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Except that this DOESN'T make sense to anybody but you, and all you have to defend this is speculation and wishful thinking, attempting to twist facts to match your hare-brained idea rather than to look at ALL the data and then form a conclusion that matches it all (Nah, that would be science, so you obviously reject that approach).Just a question to confirm my suspicion. You are a follower of Eric Von Daeniken, aren't you?

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Are you referring to having heard others now repeating this, that it was us, we who sort of "rained down upon the world" which we now know had been dominated by Neandethal Man?

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As "others" have not made that silly claim which directly contradicts data, no that is not what I am referring to.

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Or, are you referring the intuitive conclusions that we are resurrected by means of the genetically reproduced Unconscious Mind which we obviously all carry around in the "ark-like" skull of our most recently evolved being?

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Given that this is NOT an "intuitive conclusion" but rather is an obsessive fixation to the contrary of facts (kind of the definition of Delusional Disorder, a person operating rather well otherwise, except for one fixed, illogical idea), then that obviously is also not what I am referring to.And Jung's collective unconscious, of course, also is only an idea for conceptualization rather than an actual presense. Seems like you have read Jung without really understanding him.
But hey, you claim that there is a genetically encoded unconscious mind. Care to document some of the genes that have been found? And what happens to an individual if that particular gene is not inherited?This message has been edited by Steen, 07-03-2004 03:22 PM

Thank u for the www lead.I will try to read these ideas posted by the people you say are so much in agreement with me.Perhaps they too are reading the signs of the times.It would be very nice to find such a ready audience for this interesting and secularly compatible interpretation of the Book of Revelation.thx again guys.

Ahem, the revelation is a myth, a nightmare put to paper, that's all.

hahhaa...myth... or The Christian World Epic.You know, beowoulf and such, every culture has had their epic tale that was the foundation of the society's earliest roots.In spite of your secularism, it is undeniable that for 2000 years, since Jesus turned time itself from BC to AD, this Western World has been founded upon a religious footing that permeates its very essence. Change that as nuch as you have already and as you tirelessly so endeavor to do into the future, Revelation is a classic in the culture.Whatever you personally might say or critical denigrate about it, it has been the basis for Hollywood blockbuster movies viewed by the secular community as well as the religious. True?

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In spite of your secularism,

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Please cease your false claims about me. My objection to creationist lies do not preclude my very real Christianity.

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it is undeniable that for 2000 years, since Jesus turned time itself from BC to AD, this Western World has been founded upon a religious footing that permeates its very essence. Change that as nuch as you have already and as you tirelessly so endeavor to do into the future,

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Yes.

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Revelation is a classic in the culture.

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Nope.

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Whatever you personally might say or critical denigrate about it, it has been the basis for Hollywood blockbuster movies viewed by the secular community as well as the religious. True?

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ROTFLMAO. So has dracula, marsians and other stuff. Are you trying to claim that "reality" is based on how popular a story is, that Dracula is an integral part of our culture and therefore his existence is a fact? Then you are even more wigged out than I thought you were.

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"reality?"... I am claiming that Revelation has seven levels of interpretation, one of which is on the Semantical level of understanding a historical unfolding that paralells its symbolic expression.

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Yeah, yeah. And Watership Downs is about more than rabbits. It still means that you have to INTERPRET.

True.That you are a Christian precludes any need for dispute between us on matters unrelated to the final judgement of Matthew 25, so the it is pointless to counter back and forth on difference of opinion not to be resolved until the lamb of the tribe of Judah, the root of David prevails to open this book of scripture which is sealed with seven seals, true? Then we shall know his judgement on our unworthy intuitive guesses.Matt. 12:20 A bruised reed (of scriptural interpretion) shall he not break, and smoking flax (of misguided dogma) shall he not quench, till (after) he send forth (good) judgment unto victory (in ecumenical amalgamation).

But it thus also is pointless for you to call on the revelation as evidence of anything other than somebody's nightmare from having eaten something wrong the night before.

You seem to have it backwards if I understand you, "But it thus also is pointless for you to call on the revelation as evidence of anything"....Two billion Christians read this book of the Boble, a book which the earliest of church fathers insisted be read before the congregation of the budding church, often over the head of some protest. These mysterious sounding szmbolic reference were thus both highly esteemed by the bible writers themselves, and at one an the same time implied as some cryptic insight that only time would reveal.In this, it seems diectly converse to you comment that the Revelation be evidence of anything at all. It is mounting evidence in the secular world that gradually shed light upon the meanings of the bible writer.And, in this, the enormous audience represents a demand, one so often titillated by the erroneous and metaphysical application of Revelation to horror movies. In that alone, what I write seems justifiable.But, the book itself, teases its audience to try, measure up to the ruler of wisdom by finding meaning where no one has been entirely successful to date.Now if I am mistaken in you claim of Christian membership, I do see your point. Why would you personally care? And how appropriate you arrogant distain for The Word.John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word,... ...and the Word was God.