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Message 31 of 96 (362694)
11-08-2006 6:20 PM


hippo cats
Anybody notice how the republicans are rushing to meticulously count every possible hanging chad?
Where did that urgency for decisions go eh?

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Message 41 of 96 (362725)
11-08-2006 8:31 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Minnemooseus
11-08-2006 7:36 PM


blame the 1 vote system not the voters
The third party tilted things to Pawlenty / Molnau. Once again, to vote third party is to elect the one you don't want.
This is not the fault of the third party candidates or the people who vote for them, it is the fault of a discriminatory system of voting that only allows one to voice a first level choice.
I think if we had a system of rated voting (1 to 5?) not only would their be much better representation (better choices in primaries, better choices in elections) but there would be more emphasis on POLICIES than on MUD.
What we don't know is whether such a system would have different results - we can guess but we can't know.
I would hope that this election may focus things away from black-box-electronic voting and more onto principles of getting and counting the evaluations of candidates by the voters.
BUT - this goes off topic for this thread.
Personally I am happy with the governor state house\senate races as much as the federal ones -- they may change how things happen next election.
One of the things I had not realized is that the Supreme Court - in approving the Delay Texas redistricting fraud - left open the ability of any state to redistrict without waiting for the census to run again. WHERE people were counted was as much an issue as HOW they voted in the last presidential election.
Democrats now control more state governments than in many years. We also see state governments pushing raised minimum wages, stem cell research, medical care and other issue that have been ignored at the federal level for so long.
I would love to see the fiscal responsibility issue raise up and bite Cheney, by forcing his hidden contract companies to account for every dime or give it back. And then keep subpoenaing his records so that his final (2) years will be like Clinton's were. Or he gets impeached.
I would love to take the tax rebate issue and turn it over on the republicans - give the same amount of money back, but give the same amount to everyone, and give it in certificates that can only be redeemed in american companies for american made products.
And see what happens to the economy.
Enjoy.

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Message 42 of 96 (362727)
11-08-2006 8:42 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Minnemooseus
11-08-2006 7:36 PM


Not always 3rd party issue
In Rhode Island we had solid democratic runs on all federal and statewide positions (including a new democrat in the senate) except:
Donald L. CARCIERI	Republican	197,013 - 51.02%
Charles J. FOGARTY Democrat 189,099 - 48.98%
Darn it.

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Message 44 of 96 (362731)
11-08-2006 8:46 PM
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11-08-2006 8:42 PM


Re: blame the 1 vote system not the voters
perhaps a best of both worlds:
senate by preference system (they are supposed to represent the state)
house by proportional system (they are supposed to represent the people eh?) - one I like is having a lottery ... no campaigns, no parties, no politicians ...
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Message 51 of 96 (362749)
11-08-2006 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by ramoss
11-08-2006 9:32 PM


that missing 10 billion dollars
precisely.
And the buck started with Cheney....

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Message 70 of 96 (362997)
11-09-2006 10:28 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Chiroptera
11-09-2006 9:32 PM


Re: It's true! -- The election is over!
Allen and Burns have graciously conceded.
George and Gracie conceded?
(yes I dated myself, we went dutch, I got insulted and vowed never to see myself again)
...
enjoy.

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Message 78 of 96 (363302)
11-11-2006 9:49 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Nighttrain
11-11-2006 9:02 PM


Re: RG
Carl Levin will go over his notes from last time, and see if anything has changed. Yeah there is dirt under his nails from working for Reagan and Daddy Bush, but I would not be surprised to see him confirmed - anyone is better than Rummy at this point.
(at least it's not Harriet Miers ... )

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Message 81 of 96 (363992)
11-15-2006 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by nator
11-15-2006 6:00 PM


Re: Republicans prepare for minoritiship
... exactly how do you expect they should have done more?
Especially when the (exposed as NOT liberal) media wouldn't report it, but would instead run the story-du-jour direct from the whitehouse.

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Message 84 of 96 (364040)
11-16-2006 7:23 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by Chiroptera
11-15-2006 10:33 PM


Re: Republicans prepare for minoritiship
... and the actual liberals have been complaining for years (since the Clinton years, in fact) how the Democrats have been mainly playing it "safe" ...
Oh, I agree that this is the major element - a total lack of leadership. But the point is that whenever a democrat did say something that it was buried in the news and downplayed. If a democrat position did make it to the news the next three or four days would be complete coverage of the republican position.
There is no "liberal media bias" now, if there ever was.
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Message 85 of 96 (364042)
11-16-2006 7:33 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by Silent H
11-16-2006 4:59 AM


Re: Republicans prepare for minoritiship
There were few strong voices from the dem side, and essentially no unity. You even had dems going after dems for not caving to rep pressure and allowing topics to be discussed on their terms.
That's part of what you get with liberal thinking. There is no iconoclastic dogma to force everyone into "traditional" lines.
What we saw in the republican congress was a forging of a small number of iconoclastic groups (fiscal conservatives, fundamentalist christians, libertarian conservatives, any others?) to a common cause.
It seems to me that the fiscal conservative republicans caved just as much and just as irresponsibly as did the democrates, btw. How do they justify the massive cost overruns from a traditional fiscal conservative point of view?
It seems to me that the libertarian conservative republicans caved likewise on the issues of small government with the massive growth of government and reduction of individual freedoms. How do they justify the massive government growth from a traditional libertarian conservative point of view?
There was something keeping all these groups from expressing their individual points of view ... power and hubris? or corruption and hypocrisy?
Enjoy.

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Message 90 of 96 (364185)
11-16-2006 8:19 PM
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11-16-2006 9:28 AM


Re: Republicans prepare for minoritiship
That may have been your point, but it certainly wasn't mine.
It was in addition to yours not contra nor modifying.
Any dissent was made by individuals acting, usually, against the the advice of main body of Democrats and sometimes even criticised heavily for their stances.
That's what got buried by the lack of media coverage.

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