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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 1 of 26 (440517)
12-13-2007 2:35 PM


i've previously heard lots of claims about the diseases caused by the chemicals in deodorants. just today i've heard claims for both alzheimers (which i've never heard before) and breast cancer (which i have).
the alzheimers was a blanket claim, but there's this link about breast cancer.
anti-perspirant chemical found in breast tumors
so. lets have some propositions for chemical hysteria, and some good, old-fashioned debunking.
is it science, i guess.
Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 2 of 26 (440723)
12-14-2007 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by macaroniandcheese
12-13-2007 2:35 PM


anybody?

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Message 3 of 26 (440737)
12-14-2007 10:44 AM


Thread moved here from the Proposed New Topics forum.

  
Jon
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Message 4 of 26 (440740)
12-14-2007 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by macaroniandcheese
12-13-2007 2:35 PM


I have actually heard of the alzheimers concern with anti-perspirants. The problem, as I have heard, is because anti-perspirants contain aluminum, which enters your body when you put it on. Now, I have also heard that aluminum dish-ware can cause alzheimers, especially when used for cooking. So, it is my assumption that this is true of the anti-perspirant ingrediant too. However, the aluminumn in anti-perspirant is different than that used in dish-ware, so this might just be a myth of sorts that was taken from one alzhiemer-aluminum association and applied to all things with the 'a'-word.
I have not heard anything about the breast cancer risk, though, but if breast cancer is in anyway caused by aluminum, then it could very-well be true.
As a side note, technically, deoderants do not have the aluminum, since they are not meant to prevent perspiration, just cover odors.
Jon

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Message 5 of 26 (440741)
12-14-2007 10:51 AM
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12-14-2007 10:49 AM


can you find any articles on it?

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Jon
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Message 6 of 26 (440743)
12-14-2007 10:55 AM
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12-14-2007 10:51 AM


I might try later tonight when I get done with classes.

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Chiroptera
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Message 7 of 26 (440748)
12-14-2007 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by macaroniandcheese
12-13-2007 2:35 PM


I use pro-perspirants. Any risks associated with that?
Chiroptera, shut up. No, seriously.

If it's truly good and powerful, it deserves to engender a thousand misunderstandings. -- Ben Ratcliffe

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Message 8 of 26 (440750)
12-14-2007 11:51 AM
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12-14-2007 11:38 AM


yes. sexual side affects. reduced opportunity.

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Jon
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Message 9 of 26 (440759)
12-14-2007 12:57 PM
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12-14-2007 11:51 AM


Seems the same side effects that go with the anti-perspirants I use too...

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Message 10 of 26 (440761)
12-14-2007 12:58 PM
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12-14-2007 12:57 PM


*winks*
maybe it's not the armpits.

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Message 11 of 26 (440762)
12-14-2007 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by macaroniandcheese
12-13-2007 2:35 PM


Anti-perspirants/alzheimers connection
i've previously heard lots of claims about the diseases caused by the chemicals in deodorants. just today i've heard claims for both alzheimers (which i've never heard before) and breast cancer (which i have).
I have heard many claims about anti-perspirants causing all sorts of maladies. I've heard this particular claim too. I rarely use any anti-perspirants or deodorants, which, probably sounds funky to you. But for some bizarre reason, I have not been afflicted by the B.O. monster. The only times any natural body odor occurs is after a really hard workout. I guess physiologically, I'm an anomaly. But I don't mind it.
My wife marvels at how I can avoid it.
So I guess in a way its good for me that I don't use anti-perspirants at all. However, it is entirely likely that whatever chemical or heavy metal is in these products are more than likely in many products, like Jon said, cookware.
Something is causing more and more cases of alzheimers. And I'd be willing to bet it is something we are ingesting or are absorbing. Its probably one of those things that is cumulative, like lead or mercury, which might account why some people do not get it.
Sure, we could surmise that it is purely a biological disorder that is passed down from generation to generation, but then, why is the frequency increasing?
Edited by Nemesis Juggernaut, : typo

“This life’s dim windows of the soul, distorts the heavens from pole to pole, and goads you to believe a lie, when you see with and not through the eye.” -William Blake

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Message 12 of 26 (440764)
12-14-2007 1:20 PM
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12-14-2007 1:18 PM


Re: Anti-perspirants/alzheimers connection
Sure, we could surmise that it is purely a biological disorder that is passed down from generation to generation, but then, why is the frequency increasing?
i'm willing to bet that once again it's not cases that are increasing, but diagnosis. old people have always gone out of their minds.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 13 of 26 (440766)
12-14-2007 1:26 PM
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12-14-2007 1:20 PM


Re: Anti-perspirants/alzheimers connection
i'm willing to bet that once again it's not cases that are increasing, but diagnosis. old people have always gone out of their minds.
Yes, I would agree that there has always been dementia in the elderly. I suppose a misdiagnosis is entirely possible, which gives the appearance of more cases.
Edited by Nemesis Juggernaut, : No reason given.

“This life’s dim windows of the soul, distorts the heavens from pole to pole, and goads you to believe a lie, when you see with and not through the eye.” -William Blake

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Message 14 of 26 (440769)
12-14-2007 1:37 PM
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12-13-2007 2:35 PM


brennakimi
lets have some propositions for chemical hysteria, and some good, old-fashioned debunking.
I would just lie to point out a significant verse from the article.
"Our research certainly does not prove causality, but we believe that in a few of these tumors the level of this chemical was high enough to promote breast cancer cell growth," Darbre tells WebMD.
"We don't know, however, if parabens can cause normal cells to become cancer cells."
How can they believe the chemical was high enough to promote cancer cell growth when their research shows no causality as a factor in producing cancer cells?

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Message 15 of 26 (440771)
12-14-2007 1:43 PM
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12-14-2007 1:26 PM


Re: Anti-perspirants/alzheimers connection
no, not "mis-diagnosis" but failure to diagnose the specific disease, and instead just assuming the old person is... well, old and senile.
it's like this. a century ago, we had zero 0 gooseegg cases of asperger's syndrome. why? it was only specified in 1944. does that mean that before 1944 no one had it? no. it hasn't been comonly used as a diagnosis until recently, and before, kids were just "difficult" or "slow" or "anti-social" since AS kids tend to be much more "normal" than kids with "normal" autism. does this necessarily mean there are really more children who fall into that category, or that we're just getting better at knowing which children have it and which are just "ornery"?
you have to be able to demonstrate that a disease can be acquired or developed. you can't just say "it's happening more now, so it must be exposure to new things". maybe it's just that people with alzheimers used to have problems raising children and didn't have any, but now they're reproducing at the same rates as everyone else and so the numbers are rising. still purely genetic.
Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

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