The Flood = many coincidences

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If you maintain that your gibberish can fool a three-year-old child, but not someone who has a PhD in geology, then I entirely concur.

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Hence the problem. As the saying goes, you can't teach an old dog new tricks. We all carry around junk. I have architectural junk. You have geology junk. What we all must do is get rid of our junk so we can move forward.It’s quite easy to explain it to 3 year olds. Here is how it goes;OK gang, we’re gonna play with the World Plate Tectonic puzzle today!
Yea!
This game is called Statics. Before we begin boys and girls, you will notice that the plate tectonic map puzzle is FLATDon’t tell those scientists who invented this puzzle and think that the continents move around like a rubix cube, that the earth is in fact ROUND, and sections of it are actually convex, not flat like the word plate describesall righty?
otay midder arditek, we won’t dell da tienpists
Now, Sally you put your finger on this puzzle piece, and push it this way at .000000003 mph. Johnny, please put down Curious George and put your little finger on this piece and push it at .000000005 mph that wayand let’s see what happens.
Midder arditek nuthin is happenin’.dis dame is toopid and boooorrriiiing.
Exactly boys and girls, nothing happens. The face of the earth is a closed system, just like grid lock in midtown Manhattan. But scientist believe that the earth has many mommies that give birth to twins here, and then mommy earth eventually gobbles them up over here with these smiley faces. They also believe this tee-tiny amount of movement built the Matterhorn and K2. So we will rename their theory: Defective Static Convex Cannot Construct Theory
Dats punny!!! Tan we pway anodder dame?
Sure, this game is called Dynamics. Boys and girls, what do you say if we place a few M-80’s under the defective plate tectonic puzzle and blow it up?
YEA!!!
OK, let’s light the fuse nowOK everybodyget readyRUN!
KABOOM!!!
midder arditek it made a diant hoe in da puzzle, I’m donna dell my moommeee.Edited by ARCHITECT-426, : No reason given.

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Rhyming makes his argument totally convincing. Who needs an education, or evidence, when you can rhyme?!

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It’s called creative writing which makes for interesting, memorable and fun reading. It is also very useful when teaching children simple concepts. Hmm, creativity, perhaps something earth science truly lacksHere is another one for you to remember:Continental DRIFT is a scientific MYTH.Yet playing around with this hypothesis has truly hampered forward thinking in earth science.

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They are examples of what exactly? . Or is there a world-wide conspiracy to blame?

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Not necessarily a conspiracy. This type of scientific behavior simply displays consensus science. Failing to address known problems with the plate tectonic theory, while publishing such as ‘true’ is nothing more than scientific dogma. By repeatedly doing such, the scientific community has set itself up for disaster. Now the plate tectonic theory MUST work, or else the entire scientific community will end up with a giant white elephant on their hands; they ran too far with the theory while problems with it compounded. Therefore the only solution will be to dispose of it and reap the embarrassment.Yet another example of this careless plate tectonic dogma, from none other than the National Geographic Society:The oldest rocks in the ocean date back only 200 million years, quite young for a planet thought to be about 4.5 billion years old. New crust constantly rises to the ocean surface along the mid-ocean ridge system, a giant underwater mountain range that snakes through the oceans like the stitching on a baseball. The birth of new crust pushes apart pieces of Earth's crust, called plates.
ScienceDang-it! Another example of this repeated lack of any standard of care:The ocean basins are underlain by crust that is nowhere older than about 180 million years. A significant proportion of the currently exposed continents is more than 1 billion years old, and the oldest continental materials date back to more than 4 billion years.
Edmond A. Mathez and James D. Webster, The Earth Machine, The Science of a Dynamic Planet, Columbia University Press, New York 2004If plate tectonics is not true, then ‘science’, especially ‘evolutionary science’, is up excrement creek without a paddle!

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Plate movement is measured on a daily basis.

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I don’t argue movement Rox. Soils move, rocks move, buildings move, everything moves; that is no mystery. However, I believe that the primary movement (historically) on a global scale was vertical, while horizontal movement was secondary. Therefore I concede to Vertical Tectonics.

is that they look kind of like men but are mad of straw so the are safe to assault but still fool the crows. You have forgotten to make yours man shaped and are left with nothing but a pile. And what a pile.

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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them.

Archie, you neglected to answer me: have you never heard of the Global Positioning System? Garmin? Tom-Tom?

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"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

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Could it be that "Vertical Tectonics" is that "expanding Earth" baloney?

The excerpts you quoted are accurate descriptions consistent with the data, so the problems more likely lie with your own misconceptions about plate tectonics. If you describe where you think you see contradictions we could discuss them.But I think one of your misconceptions is pretty clear. You think that ocean and continental crust should be the same age. The reason they're not is because ocean crust forms at mid-oceanic ridges and travels toward subduction zones where it disappears back into the earth. No ocean crust can be older than the time it takes to travel to a subduction zone, which is seldom more than 200 million years.--Percy

Ah. Well, it's understandable, I guess, that scientists should be confused on this point, since the Bible never mentions it. And I'm sure there's a good reason for that (like, maybe the Hebrew folks who set pen to paper parchment for God had never actually seen a volcano, except maybe some of the more "fringe" prophet types, who only saw visions of them and didn't have words to describe them, exactly...) Whatever.Anyway, it's clear that our own ARCHITECT-426 is divinely inspired where the original biblical scribes were deficient and/or deprived, so it seems like it must be time for a rewrite, and our own ARCHITECT-426 is well on the way down that path, Praise the Lord! Go for it, dude! The true believers will know that you're not just making it up as you go. (Really! They will know this, because they will know by your own words that you are pious and therefore cannot lie, let alone be wrong.)Once you've fixed those gaps in the biblical text, you'll be set for eternity -- God always loved you, but with this feather in your halo, you'll be on track for the first-class ticket, surrounded by dozens of virgins and --Oh wait, you need to be a muslim and kill innocent people to qualify for the virgins... Oh well. Still, there'll be something special for you, for sure. God has it all planned out. Really. We're posting on a science forum here, so there's evidence. Believe me.Edited by Otto Tellick, : (fixed a grammar typo)Edited by Otto Tellick, : Fixed terminology in first paragraph, as noted there, for the sake of historical accuracy.

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autotelic adj. (of an entity or event) having within itself the purpose of its existence or happening.

One thing I'm waiting for is for Creationists (note the capital C--to separate the TRVE believers from the more rational among them); one thing I'm waiting for is some agreement on the date of the purported flood.A majority of biblical scholars place the flood about 4,350 years ago. Creationists, on the other hand, attribute the flood to everything from that date to the extinction of the dinosaurs (some 65 million years ago) to the Cambrian "explosion" (some 500+ million years ago).So which is it? Was the flood within recent historic times at about 4,350 years ago or was it 500+ million years ago? And what is your evidence?In phrasing your answer, please remember, this is the Science Forum, so your answer should include scientific evidence, not magic, superstition, wishful thinking, old wives tales, folklore, what the stars foretell and what the neighbors think, omens, public opinion, astromancy, spells, Ouija boards, anecdotes, sorcery, seances, sore bunions, black cats, divine revelation, crop circles, table tipping, witch doctors, crystals and crystal balls, numerology, divination, geocentrism, faith healing, miracles, palm reading, the unguessable verdict of history, what televangelists say, magic tea leaves, new age mumbo-jumbo, hoodoo, voodoo or any of that other weird stuff.Stick to science, and please settle on a date that can be tested for evidence for this flood.-------------Won't happen.There is no scientific evidence for a global flood, so they play a shell game. It wasn't at 4,350 years ago? Then maybe it was over here! Not over there? Then maybe it was over there! And around and around we go.Face it, the global flood never happened as described. You don't agree? Present evidence!

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Are you familiar with the phrase "word salad"?

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Continental DRIFT is a scientific MYTH.

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And yet, you can detect it directly. Satellite stations are set up around the globe and with GPS, you can determine exactly where a particular point on the globe is...including if it's moving.Since we can directly measure plate tectonics, why would you insist that we lie about it?

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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Because, in Archie's eyes, the scientists are eithera.) unable to admit that they were wrong
b.) unable to find the "truth"
c.) unable to accept Archie's divinely inspired and flawless theory (they're just infindels anyway......)Edited by Teapots&unicorns, : No reason given.

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I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
- Stephen RobertsI'm a polyatheist - there are many gods I don't believe in
- Dan Foutes"In the beginning, the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has widely been considered as a bad move."
- Douglas Adams

Archie is blinded the the myth that Genesis is inspired.

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

Whenever you try to show facts/data/theories to someone like that, they say: "but how do I know it's true?" Then you show them more that back the previous up. They doubt again. And so on.Because of their premise, those people (namely YECs) are constantly questioning scientific evidence- which is good- but then they take it too far by asserting that it is impossible for those evolutionists/other scientists to come to a correct conclusion.