This is exactly the kind of shit that I am talking about. This post was nothing more than to try and put me down, not some inquisitive notion about incomes and American families.
There should have been no need for this post, if nator would have actually read what I wrote, and comprehended it.
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Explains it all. I basically agree with what Ned was saying, and did not EVER put the blame on feminism, or was it a LOADED question. It was a legitimate question, based on ignorance, and something I have often wondered about.
By "luxuries", I mean things like cable TV, expensive electronics in general, cellphones, expensive hobbies (like flying model planes?),
You are wrong again.
I won't even explain it, but I am going to ask you, just how is flying model planes, an expensive hobby? You've just talked out of your ass, and now you need to show how it is an expensive hobby. You only said that because that's what you've heard, and not what you know.
Not only that, if me and my wife dropped everything, all hobbies, going out to dinner, going on vacation, and eating goulash for the rest of our lives, we would still incur enough bills for the necessity of both of us working in our current middle middle class house hold. Our bills total some $6,000 a month. That includes all commuting expenses, and food, insurances, etc. Living in NY is not cheap.
The only reason I agreed with Ned, was to consider moving from our current house, and then being able to buy something with all the equity we have, and live rent free. Get a smaller house? That would reduce the bills by maybe $1500?
I don't know, maybe strip down a few other things, and with a family of 5 (now living at home) we could get by on $3000 a month. But then where would we have to move, and what kind of job would I find, with medical benefits?
We've explored the idea of moving to Florida already, to try and make it on one salary, but due to the recent increase in Property value down there, and wanting to better our current household, we would not save anything, then be stuck in Hot as Hell Hurricane land.
Maybe you just don't understand because you do not have kids. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but you should have done a little research.
Is it possible that the reason both parents "have to" work is because they are supporting the lifestyle they choose to maintain, not because they really must in order to survive and provide for their children?
No, it is not possible as I see it, not based on a middle class income, and giving your children what they deserve.
The only way I see it, is to become lower class, and live off the government, or hit the lotto.
As a person on welfare in NYC you were entitled up to $60,000 a year in benefits from the government. And that was 10 years ago I read that survey. You didn't even have to work.
With section 8, food stamps, schooling assistance, SSI, etc.
It all adds up.
Maybe that's the real cause of both parents having to work. Our dam taxes.
{ABE} I wanted to add that watching what my parents went through it the seventies, really fueled the thought process behind my question, not because I am some "christian woman beater, who wants his wife to stay at home"
I watched my father work 2 jobs, then when that wasn't enough, my mother had to start working as well, and then that is when we (my brother and sister) started suffering for the lack of care.
We did not have much, maybe some hotwheels and a train set and a bicycle. My Dad drove used cars, that we fixed oursleves, and maybe had a steak dinner once and a while.
We did have a trailer in the poconos, but that was a one time purchase, that they saved for, and it didn't cost much at all. That is where I spent my summers, and played in the dirt and woods.
I expect an answer on the model planes, since you have personally attacked me.
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