Separation of Church and State

1. In what way is God being removed from this nation?2. In light of your answer to question 1, what specific requirements can we, as God-fearing people, enact to put God back into this nation? 3. What specific things have these radical Athiests forced you to do that you would consider "Godless"? 4. Could you list the particular "wrong reasons" that you know about?5. How is it that you are privy to the internal motivations of this radical majority of Athiests?6. Could you provide us with a list of the "right reasons" to fight for separation of church and state?Thanks

is it not the case that if any goverment allows religios practice in a school .. in a free nation .. its must allow ALL and ANY religion equal status and equal time and funding ....so monday catholic strict papal
tuesday moslem suni only
wednesday morman
thursday baptist but not reformed ones
friday hindu
etc etcand what about the smaller sects do they get a voice .. earth mother cults ,native american spirit worship ,celtic druids, satanic cults , glob the nine armed forest spiritor does this plan of freedom have limits to suit only some people ??

riVeRraT appoints himself omniscient God

Nice rant, rR, but wrong.Kids are allowed to pray in school--but the religious are not allowed to force other kids to either participate or feel like outsiders--why should they be?Do you want your children to be indoctrinated in Islam against your wishes?If Christianity has to play Caesar to keep it's children, it is a very weak faith.Public schools are civil institutions: the freedom of tyranny in that context is the freedom from indoctrination in others' religious beliefs. If you want a religious school, find one and send your kids there.In most families, the space of several generations will turn up both devout and disbelievers alike. Protecting the religious freedoms of all your descendants means protecting them from the religious impositions of others.If you had grandkids, you'd understand better.Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given.

Please back this up or retract this pile of utter and complete nonsense.

You realize that these are two contradictory statements, right?

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It's an underground cult, you know that. I am not sure on what you can say, but I know what you can't say. Anyone who looks to take God out of nation is part of that cult. I am not saying that all atheists are this way. But most are, and they are forcing their Godless view on the rest of the nation. They fight for separation of church and state for all the wrong reasons, but make it appear they are fighting for the right reasons. The Godless liberal judges grant them their wishes.
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If it's so underground, how is it able to control all the schoolboards and courts in the US?I'm going to second mr. Omnivorous: Place your children in a private school of your choice!

I do have kids, they have just finished the public school system. I have been going to their concerts for over ten years. The music represented over the years has included rock, jazz, blues, country, classical, gospel, and traditional type hymns.My children have had friends who had no problem praying quietly before lunch. Some bowed their heads before tests. A few brought Bibles to read on lunch hour. GASP...a few even read them together. Students and teacher regularly wear cross jewelry or WWJD bracelets and tee shirts.The only discrimination I ever heard of in our school system was one particular teacher that use to assume everyone in her classes was Xian..even with my openly Wiccan daughter and her openly Jewish friend sitting right in the front row. My daughter has been hassled for wearing her Wiccan goddess symbol necklace by students wearing cross jewelry.Don't presume to think that your anecdotal experiences are the norm and that your opponents couldn't possibly have had any differing experiences.

Let's say that we put state-bankrolled prayer back into schools.This would mean that the government would be able to choose and regulate everything regarding the manner in which that prayer will be done.Does this sound like something the US government should be involved with?

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Just wondering, during that court case, did they put their left hand on a bible, and swear to tell the truth?

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Yes, they did.Did you know that the the parents bringing the suit were Jewish?Do you classify Jews as "Athiests" now? Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.

You are equating a lack of any indocrination in any religion with indoctrination in Atheism.This is an error of thinking on your part.

Stop taking Him out. Have you read the story about my kids school? Is one example.
Not only are they trying to take God out of country, they are trying to take Christ, ou tof Christmas.
MSN | Outlook, Office, Skype, Bing, Breaking News, and Latest VideosThings also like trying to remove the ten commandments from the walls of the court houses, when the ten commandments are clearly part of our history, and have little to do with representing one particular religion. The ten commandments represent several different religions, so the government would not be a church just for displaying these commandments. To take the word God out of the national anthem, no matter when it was added, is a wrong reason. The word God, does not refer to any particular religion, and can mean the Jewish God, the Muslim God, Natures God, or a Christian one. From reading the declaration of Independence, we are a nation under God.Now if it said one nation under Yahweh, then it would be wrong.A separation of church and state does not mean "no God". It means that the governement cannot tell us how to believe in God, not that God doesn't exist. Read the declaration of Independence.

I don't assume anything, I am telling you what happened.I was involved with getting "The Power Team" in our local area.The Power Team is a ministry that preaches the gospel. They go to local schools across the nation. They have been in about 20,000 of them. They are never allowed to mention the word God. They have to teach Christian principals without saying the word Christ or God.
Schools | The Power Team 2.0The principal of the elementary and middle schools around here both concurred this.I live in the greater NYC area, many Godless liberal abound. We seem to leading the country in these types of Godless ideas. Maybe this doesn't happen as much where you live.

You realize that yah'weh is jewish (or is it hebrew?) for the wrod God?Allah means the exact same thing--God.So it's alright to have "god" in the pledge, but not not "yahweh", even htough they mean hte exact same thing?Oh, and the national anthem does not have the word God in it--that's the pledge. Right. Now then, how would you feel if the US enacted Sharia' law. What about Christian laws? Our laws are based off of english common law, something that was established BEFORE christianity came to England. The government doesn't have the right to tell you how to believe in God, and in having prayer in school it infringes your right to believe in your God. I live in a little place in the Bible belt. And you know what--prayer is not in our school, srping break is no longer easter break, and christmas break is now called winter break. But you know, it hasn't had an effect on the religious at the high school I went to. Every day before lunch, my friend would stand and pray before eating, and my guess is he prayed during the morning's "moment of silence". No one ever stopped him, or forced him to stop.The "ten commandments" are in the jewish bible, what we call the old testament. The only law I'm aware of in the new testament is the golden rule. This golden rule I would guess should be far more important to you christians because it came from Jesus, your lord and savior. Why not post it everywhere? Or do you just focus on posting jewish biblical laws?

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I'm glad you provided the link. Having read the particular item, I can see that it has to do with a government body following the requirements of the establishment clause of the first amendment. That government body is falsely accused of taking Christ out of Christmas.Why is it that some Christians feel compelled to misrepresent in this way? Why are they telling lies, yet claiming their religion is the source of morality?