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Author Topic:   Don't turn my God-fearing kid gay!
joshua221 
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Message 90 of 196 (201924)
04-24-2005 7:40 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by crashfrog
04-23-2005 3:12 PM


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How? Are you saying that if your parents had been gay, you would be, too? How come that isn't true for anyone else? If what you say is true why aren't the children of homosexuals any more likely to be gay than anybody else's children?
Seeming social acceptance forces the child to believe it is truth.

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joshua221 
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Message 101 of 196 (202324)
04-25-2005 5:22 PM
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04-24-2005 8:16 PM


Misunderstood?

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joshua221 
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Message 102 of 196 (202325)
04-25-2005 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by nator
04-25-2005 10:34 AM


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That what is "truth"?
That gay people are normal?
Portraying homosexuality as the norm is an illusion that a child may have to be faced with if dealing with 2 gay parents. Not to say that this is necessarily bad for the child. But any fallacy should be overcome.

porteus@gmail.com

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joshua221 
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Message 104 of 196 (202384)
04-25-2005 7:41 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by jar
04-25-2005 5:56 PM


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Is it better for a child to grow up thinking loving parents are the norm or that abusive parents are the norm?
Blatantly stated that there wasn't anything necessarily wrong with gay parents. Although it does provide an illusion of what is acceptable in society. It means nearly nothing, the world is nothing.

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joshua221 
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Message 108 of 196 (203101)
04-27-2005 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by jar
04-25-2005 8:08 PM


Reasonable. Is there a shortage of "straight parents"?

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joshua221 
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Message 109 of 196 (203106)
04-27-2005 6:09 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by dsv
04-26-2005 12:17 PM


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That's your first problem. Since you're part of a xenophobic organization that loves to hate, you're assuming that homosexuality should not and can not be acceptable to society. When really, it's
Hmm, problem, what problem? lol
Please don't assume what "organization" I am apart of, through a point made about society . It's disgusting and direct evidence of ignorance on your part. No need for an apology, I was once referred to as a "flat-earther" by lam, so you could say I'm sort of desensitized. Not offended, just slightly annoyed at your feable position on humanity.
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the ignorant homophobes out there who need to wake up to a reality that it's no longer the freaking middle ages, not the homosexuals.
Are you joking?
Provide me with statistics that show that being gay is a normalcy in society, and that there is a good percentage of homosexuals. It's really not.
Secondly, I find your attempt to portray me as an ignorant christian, biggot, or isolator of a group of people as laughable, and a contradiction to your own post, seperating me as if being part of an assumed organization is the same as what you blamed me for doing, actually you were wrong on both assumptions.
Check it, Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.- Ephesians.

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joshua221 
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Message 110 of 196 (203108)
04-27-2005 6:12 PM
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04-25-2005 9:46 PM


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In may communities, it's "the norm" to not know who your father is at all, or to have your father be in prison, or dead, or both your parents in prison, or drug addicts hustling on the corner, and you get raised by your grandmother.
At least, they are still in touch with the truth, and severity of situations on this planet. Rather than being pressed on an illusory image of society.
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In certain parts of California, and NYC, it is quite normal to see many gay couples and families around, as well as single moms, single dads, and many blended families.
This non-evidence surprises me.

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joshua221 
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Message 136 of 196 (204101)
05-01-2005 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by dsv
04-27-2005 7:16 PM


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I would certainly not want to confuse those ministries that participate in very helpful projects to those that release flyers filled with hate and lies about homosexuals. So, I thank you for giving me the opportunity to clarify.
Yes, now I know you have no idea what you're talking about. And refuse to acknowledge your false presumption.
Of course, not accepting another person for what they are, who they are is disgusting, but it is a reality that as Americans at least we can see. Or at least I can.
quote:
If the shoe fits.
You have failed to provide ample evidence for the shoe to fit, morely have shown me your annoying preconcieved notions about myself, before knowing me as an individual, away from "ignorant fundie organizations."
quote:
What about African and native Americans? They are both minorities as well, does that mean they shouldn't be accepted in society?
It's not about if a group of people should be accepted, it's about what groups are accepted.
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For some reason you think I said homosexuality was widely accepted. Obviously it is not, there are still a lot of people who remain stedfast in their opposition to it, just look at the original post. What I'm saying is that it should be.
Ok, so for the last, say 3 posts we have been talking about nothing.
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homosexuality was widely accepted. Obviously it is not
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consider Million for Marriage -- which is part of the Human Rights Campaign -- currently has 616,922 signatures and is well above schedule for reaching their target.
Well now that we are past that, (hope) would you think that having 2 homosexual parents, until at least the age of revelation for the child would create a curtain that would make the child believe that people are all homosexuals, thats the way things are, or it's alright feel? This of course would be in the eyes of society.
Myself, I agree that it's alright.

porteus@gmail.com

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joshua221 
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Message 137 of 196 (204102)
05-01-2005 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by crashfrog
04-27-2005 10:34 PM


quote:
The current estimates say about 3-4% of the population is gay.
ok 3-4,.. 96-97... Normal, sure. : - /

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joshua221 
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Message 138 of 196 (204103)
05-01-2005 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by coffee_addict
04-27-2005 11:05 PM


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What I'm wondering is what does this have anything to do with what we are discussing about. So what if homosexuals make up .00000001% of the population? What's your point?
Society deems it as not normal. This could be distorted in having 2 gay parents.

porteus@gmail.com

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joshua221 
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Message 148 of 196 (204157)
05-01-2005 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by coffee_addict
05-01-2005 12:35 PM


Why would I?
Do you?

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joshua221 
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Message 149 of 196 (204158)
05-01-2005 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by nator
05-01-2005 12:46 PM


quote:
Maybe in your sad society it's deemed as such, but not in my town.
You're cool.

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joshua221 
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Message 150 of 196 (204159)
05-01-2005 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by nator
05-01-2005 12:43 PM


quote:
Who are you to tell each one of them that they aren't normal?
I didn't, I noted that society has since the beginning of time.

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joshua221 
Inactive Member


Message 168 of 196 (204436)
05-02-2005 9:06 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by Silent H
05-02-2005 5:57 AM


quote:
You had a point when you said society views it as not normal. You lost your point by adding since the beginning of time.
Yeah, my attitude when posting that was, "I know I shouldn't add that, (because it's just too easy to refute mainly because of it's vagueness)
Ohhh, what the heck, *click*.

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