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Message 32 of 196 (201380)
04-23-2005 8:24 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Stuco
04-23-2005 2:20 AM


And then again...
Are not Christians supposed to be humble and consider others better than themselves?

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Message 63 of 196 (201482)
04-23-2005 2:09 PM
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04-20-2005 6:07 PM


Don't turn my gay fearing kid liberal!
dsv writes:
The Texas state House has approved legislation that would prohibit homosexuals and bisexuals from becoming foster parents...
In issues concerning children, the government takes it upon themselves to consider that the best interests of the child are upheld in any circumstance.
Not that I agree with the thought process, but it is assumed that anyone who would publically proclaim their sexual orientation would also not be fit to parent based on their liberal belief.
Rhetorically, would we want an alcoholic to become a foster parent? Would we want an adulterer or a viewer of pornographic images to foster our neglected children? Obviously no...and yet, how many foster parent applicants put on their resume that they are alcoholics or voyeurs?
Some of us such as Troy feel that proclamation of sexual orientation is not the same as being addicted to a problem. The issue is that sexual orientation is NO problem.
The opponents of such a view would say that sexual orientation becomes a problem when it is taught to be not only a fact but an acceptable fact. The question of whether a child should be exposed to such an issue is what is at stake, here.
Surprisingly, some Christian ministers are dealing with these issues in a non judgemental way. Troy, I suggest that you read this link here. Not all Christians are gay bashers, but the majority of society still has to come to terms with whether such a lifestyle is
in the best interests of a childs environment.
Personally, I think that the foster parents should be judged on their overall morality above and beyond their orientation. As a Christian, I believe that the issue is a valid one, but I also do not believe that the government should legislate morality before the fact. That being said, I also would advise foster parent applicants to keep their personal sex life to themselves if they want to get approved.
Society is not ready to say that anything goes.

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Phat
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Message 73 of 196 (201502)
04-23-2005 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by coffee_addict
04-23-2005 2:36 PM


Re: Don't turn my gay fearing kid liberal!
troy writes:
Phatboy, it's posts like this that makes me question your objectiveness in such matter.
Did you read the link?
I may not be totally objective, but I DO believe that the government should not legislate morality...any more than the Pharisees who threatened to stone the adulterous woman. None of them were righteous and neither is the Texas legislature.
BTW I never knew that the parents were asked. That is a no-brainer.
What would YOU do if you were asked? (Assuming that you wanted to be a foster parent) Pretend you were in Texas!
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Message 76 of 196 (201506)
04-23-2005 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by CK
04-23-2005 2:21 PM


Re: Who's picking on the newcomer?
charles writes:
I have never heard of Wolf Blitzer - what is it? a web site?
No..lol..Wolf Blitzer is a correspondant on CNN News.
Are not the Yanks the center of the world?

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Message 82 of 196 (201513)
04-23-2005 3:10 PM
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04-23-2005 3:07 PM


Re: Don't turn my gay fearing kid liberal!
dsv writes:
Do you see my point?
Yes. My point was that Texas DOES legislate morality.
troy writes:
And sorry, but I don't think anything christian is worth my time anymore, especially a website. Yes, I've given into my anger and is now in the dark side of the force.
OK, Darth...but I still want you to check out my link. I deserve at least a comment about it! I ALWAYS read all of YOUR links!
dsv writes:
What I DO have a problem with, is using that faith-based opinion to promote discrimination in state-funded organizations. There is no evidence to suggest that homosexual households are unsafe for children.
Sigh...I see your point. One of the big issues is legislation of morality.
A.P. writes:
WASHINGTON (AP) - Republicans took a step Thursday toward a Senate confrontation over filibusters of President Bush's judicial nominees by advancing two of the White House's favored candidates for prospective votes.
By sending Texas judge Priscilla Owen and California judge Janice Rogers Brown to the full Senate for confirmation, GOP senators now have two of the candidates they want to use to challenge the Democrats' threat to filibuster U.S. Appeals Courts candidates.
"We have now the vehicle. We have two qualified women. They have met every test," said Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas.
Notice that the "R" people are advocating judges of a certain morality. The "D" people do not like this. The filibuster issue is tied in with the legislation of morality issue.
General Knight writes:
Why would viewing LEGAL pornographic material make you a bad parent?
Well..I would have freaked out if I caught my Dad doing it. Although I used to check out his hidden stash of magazines (I confess)

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Message 86 of 196 (201534)
04-23-2005 5:26 PM
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04-23-2005 3:31 PM


Re: Don't turn my gay fearing kid liberal!
Lets go into the other room? Reminds me of when Jesus said that He was in the world but not of the world. I'll go into the other room with you if Jesus can come along also. We will leave all the evil "R" GingerBread men behind!

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Message 89 of 196 (201832)
04-24-2005 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by coffee_addict
04-24-2005 12:49 PM


Re: Don't turn my gay fearing kid liberal!
troy writes:
Just curious. Did you understand why I linked you to that flash video?
Not really...did it have something to do with evil gingerbread men and hate slogans?? Just kidding...
Lets watch it again!
troys link.
Im guessing that this nifty Pink Floyd number speaks optimistically of a better world where we all can make love and peace and joy and comaraderie work...if we just love each other!
I will say that we all can make it work if Jesus is part of the plan. Not organised religion. Not legislation or rules. Perfect love casts out the fear. Perfect love is never weird. I will not judge anyones feelings. How people feel is their personal thing with God. How people act and/or teach others to act becomes a collective responsibility of society. No, we should not legislate morality. This goes both ways, however.
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Message 92 of 196 (202084)
04-25-2005 6:35 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by dsv
04-24-2005 8:16 PM


DSV writes:
God forbid we teach our children acceptance and tolerance.
We need to teach acceptance and tolerance to a point. Lets say, for example, that there were certain people in society who believed that nudity was beautiful and that it was a public right to dress or not dress as one wished to do. They may claim that it was an inborn trait of theirs to shun clothes. They may say that I did not have to look at them but that I had to accept them. OK? So say that I did. What about my kids? Who decides what my kids need to be taught by others? Who decides what my kids need to accept and/or tolerate?
Do my kids need to accept everything? Do my kids need to tolerate everything? What is acceptable for the public and what is acceptable for the home? Is there a standard?

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Message 94 of 196 (202092)
04-25-2005 6:55 AM
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04-25-2005 6:51 AM


How can it be wrong to exist?
The issue is should there be a standard concerning co-existance?

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Message 99 of 196 (202216)
04-25-2005 1:06 PM
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04-25-2005 12:14 PM


Re: Don't turn my gay fearing kid liberal!
That song is kinda corny yet cool, I guess. But what is your point?
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Message 111 of 196 (203122)
04-27-2005 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by dsv
04-26-2005 12:17 PM


What are you suggesting?
dsv writes:
We're all human, we're all hungry, we're all horny. Some of us like Pollo Milanese, some of us like Chicken Parmigiana. Some of us like girl parts, some of us like boy parts. Get with it.
OK...based on that logic, what if I said that there is no right way to be a behavior modification expert? Some of us like Psychology, some of us like Sociology, some of us like Theology, and some of us like torture chambers?? Or what if I said that there is no right or wrong way to discipline a child? Some like the supernanny and some like superglue and duct tape? My point is that there are better methods of behavior modification than others.
As a Christian, I won't condemn homosexuals any more than adulterers but I will judge them as to their effectiveness at being Daddies.
What if they were cannibals?? What if they really did like "parts" and not healthy whole kids?? My point is that there needs to be standards.
If a straight couple were into kinky whips and chains and porno
and I knew about it, I would say that they were not yet ready to adopt kids! Our right to do whatever we want does not protect us from our responsibility to be good role models.
I know better than to legislate morality...there are many things that humans do that may be "natural" according to their nature but not ideal or even preferable to society at large.
I keep having visions of that movie, Torch Song Trilogy.
Harvey (whats his name?) portrayed an old gay guy that fell in love with younger guys and lived with them. He then adopted a high school kid and once went to the school in his "mom" outfit...hair in curlers, floppy slippers...etc. to bring his "son" home from detention. He never tried to hit on the high school kid, though. He was a guy acting like a Mom instead of a Dad. I disagree with the fundies who rant and rave hateful messages against this type of movie, but I am not ready to say that anything goes in society.
1) If my kid..a ten year old boy...wanted to dress like a girl, I would not let him. Am I being mean?
2) If my 17 year old daughter told me that she liked girls and was dating one, I would not condemn them to hell or yell at her. I would probably want to meet her friend. I would not declare that everything was normal and ok, however.
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Message 144 of 196 (204114)
05-01-2005 12:47 PM
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05-01-2005 11:32 AM


Re: What are you suggesting?
Schraff writes:
OTOH, I would consider it a bit of a red flag if the straight couple slept in separate beds, went to church 3 days a week, and believed that Armageddon was nigh.
My parents slept in seperate beds!
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