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Phat
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Message 76 of 196 (201506)
04-23-2005 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by CK
04-23-2005 2:21 PM


Re: Who's picking on the newcomer?
charles writes:
I have never heard of Wolf Blitzer - what is it? a web site?
No..lol..Wolf Blitzer is a correspondant on CNN News.
Are not the Yanks the center of the world?

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coffee_addict
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Message 77 of 196 (201507)
04-23-2005 2:55 PM
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04-23-2005 2:53 PM


Re: Who's picking on the newcomer?
Apparently, our newcomer thought only Americans have access to the internet.

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dsv
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Message 78 of 196 (201508)
04-23-2005 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Phat
04-23-2005 2:43 PM


Re: Don't turn my gay fearing kid liberal!
What would YOU do if you were asked? (Assuming that you wanted to be a foster parent) Pretend you were in Texas!
This is off-base.
You seem to have the same mental picture of homosexuality as most xenophobic Americans are leaning toward (unfortunately).
A club-going ultra fem 25 year old boy-lover on X does not walk into the adoption agency and get approved. Just as a 25 year old hetero-jock smoking pot does not get approved. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with it.
We are talking about stable, loving homes. I happen to be great friends with an older homosexual couple in their late 40's & early 50's. They have a beautiful home (decorated magnificently, of course!). They go boating, they work at offices, they make money, they pay the mortgage.
They have SEX, I'm sure...
Just like "openly" heterosexual couples.
Do you see my point?

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jar
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Message 79 of 196 (201510)
04-23-2005 3:06 PM
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04-23-2005 2:56 PM


I don't think that was what Phat was asking.
I think he was asking how you'd respond. If this passed (and by the way the Senate version has no such provision) and you, as a Gay Texas resident, wanted to adopt a child, how would you respond to such a question?
If you were homosexual, and answered truthfully, you would be denied. But then you'd have the right to test it in court and perhaps get it overturned.
If you lied you might get approved (although how you'd pass the home inspections etal I don't know) but face the possibility of having the child later removed because you lied during the process. That would be a far more difficult case to win since the legal question would be whether or not you were honest and the issue at hand would be moot.
Personally, I'd go for an out of state adoption.
In all I think it's a stupid bill. Afterall, were only dealing with a minor life aspect. It's not like such people drank LITE beer. Now THAT would be reason enough IMHO to have someone thrown out of the state.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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coffee_addict
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Message 80 of 196 (201511)
04-23-2005 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by dsv
04-23-2005 2:56 PM


Re: Don't turn my gay fearing kid liberal!
You mean not all homosexuals dressed up as drag queens all the time and drink and party and have sex all the time and all fruity?
You know what I see when I read these legislations that are being pushed by the religious rights? I see my dream of having a home, pets, a wonderful man to share my life with, and wonderful children (that nobody wanted in the first place) that we will adopt to raise, nourish, and protect completely shattered.

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crashfrog
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Message 81 of 196 (201512)
04-23-2005 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Stuco
04-23-2005 12:11 PM


Re: playing with fire
One word. Children.
So, you're saying that if your parents had told you to be gay, you would have been?
Does that really hold up? How often, in fact, have you done what your parents have told you to do? If your parents called you up and said "you should be gay, right now" would that suddenly make you gay?
If it wouldn't, why would it work that way for anyone else?

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Phat
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Message 82 of 196 (201513)
04-23-2005 3:10 PM
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04-23-2005 3:07 PM


Re: Don't turn my gay fearing kid liberal!
dsv writes:
Do you see my point?
Yes. My point was that Texas DOES legislate morality.
troy writes:
And sorry, but I don't think anything christian is worth my time anymore, especially a website. Yes, I've given into my anger and is now in the dark side of the force.
OK, Darth...but I still want you to check out my link. I deserve at least a comment about it! I ALWAYS read all of YOUR links!
dsv writes:
What I DO have a problem with, is using that faith-based opinion to promote discrimination in state-funded organizations. There is no evidence to suggest that homosexual households are unsafe for children.
Sigh...I see your point. One of the big issues is legislation of morality.
A.P. writes:
WASHINGTON (AP) - Republicans took a step Thursday toward a Senate confrontation over filibusters of President Bush's judicial nominees by advancing two of the White House's favored candidates for prospective votes.
By sending Texas judge Priscilla Owen and California judge Janice Rogers Brown to the full Senate for confirmation, GOP senators now have two of the candidates they want to use to challenge the Democrats' threat to filibuster U.S. Appeals Courts candidates.
"We have now the vehicle. We have two qualified women. They have met every test," said Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas.
Notice that the "R" people are advocating judges of a certain morality. The "D" people do not like this. The filibuster issue is tied in with the legislation of morality issue.
General Knight writes:
Why would viewing LEGAL pornographic material make you a bad parent?
Well..I would have freaked out if I caught my Dad doing it. Although I used to check out his hidden stash of magazines (I confess)

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crashfrog
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Message 83 of 196 (201514)
04-23-2005 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Stuco
04-23-2005 1:32 PM


They are talking about hommosexuals adopting children. There habits will spread to them
How? Are you saying that if your parents had been gay, you would be, too? How come that isn't true for anyone else? If what you say is true why aren't the children of homosexuals any more likely to be gay than anybody else's children?

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dsv
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Message 84 of 196 (201518)
04-23-2005 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by Phat
04-23-2005 3:10 PM


Re: Don't turn my gay fearing kid liberal!
Well I think we agree.
They're NOT legislating morality, though.
They're legislating what they consider to be right based on their opinions. Sexual orientation and morality have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Their only connection is in religion.
Therefore they are legislating based on their personal religious beliefs, that is wrong and is in direct opposition of the constitution.
I do not believe morality is connected to religion, it's human.
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coffee_addict
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Message 85 of 196 (201520)
04-23-2005 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by Phat
04-23-2005 3:10 PM


Re: Don't turn my gay fearing kid liberal!
To be fair, I read the link. It even made my blood pressure higher than before.
1) From what I have read by you, I don't think you agree with half of the stuff on there.
2) Talking alone won't do jack shit. If there are any christian out there that care, why the hell aren't there legislations to try to suppress the religious right? It's like "don't worry, you have my emotional support, but I'm afraid I won't do anything more than that, so you will have to die... you bastards."
If there are christians that care, I'd like to see them try to help with our struggle against the other christians. Slavery didn't end because the slaves had the christians' emotional support.
A quote from the website:
Caldwell writes:
Homophobia is the last accepted prejudice...
If anyone remember my statement about christians finding things to condemn, this is a perfect example. This person recognizes that homophobia is an accepted prejudice, but he is so short sighted to say that it is the last accepted prejudice. That's what they said about blacks during the civil rights movement. I am very confident that when this is all over, if it ever get to that, Caldwell himself will try to condemn some other group.
There, I've read enough.
Here, now you click on my link.
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Phat
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Message 86 of 196 (201534)
04-23-2005 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by coffee_addict
04-23-2005 3:31 PM


Re: Don't turn my gay fearing kid liberal!
Lets go into the other room? Reminds me of when Jesus said that He was in the world but not of the world. I'll go into the other room with you if Jesus can come along also. We will leave all the evil "R" GingerBread men behind!

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coffee_addict
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Message 87 of 196 (201713)
04-24-2005 12:49 PM
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04-23-2005 5:26 PM


Re: Don't turn my gay fearing kid liberal!
Just curious. Did you understand why I linked you to that flash video?

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dsv
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Message 88 of 196 (201714)
04-24-2005 12:52 PM
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04-24-2005 12:49 PM


Re: Don't turn my gay fearing kid liberal!
Because it's rather gay?
(joking)

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Phat
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Message 89 of 196 (201832)
04-24-2005 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by coffee_addict
04-24-2005 12:49 PM


Re: Don't turn my gay fearing kid liberal!
troy writes:
Just curious. Did you understand why I linked you to that flash video?
Not really...did it have something to do with evil gingerbread men and hate slogans?? Just kidding...
Lets watch it again!
troys link.
Im guessing that this nifty Pink Floyd number speaks optimistically of a better world where we all can make love and peace and joy and comaraderie work...if we just love each other!
I will say that we all can make it work if Jesus is part of the plan. Not organised religion. Not legislation or rules. Perfect love casts out the fear. Perfect love is never weird. I will not judge anyones feelings. How people feel is their personal thing with God. How people act and/or teach others to act becomes a collective responsibility of society. No, we should not legislate morality. This goes both ways, however.
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joshua221 
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Message 90 of 196 (201924)
04-24-2005 7:40 PM
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04-23-2005 3:12 PM


quote:
How? Are you saying that if your parents had been gay, you would be, too? How come that isn't true for anyone else? If what you say is true why aren't the children of homosexuals any more likely to be gay than anybody else's children?
Seeming social acceptance forces the child to believe it is truth.

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