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Message 16 of 139 (333762)
07-20-2006 2:47 PM


Al Franken and Ann Coulter - A link to an encounter
There is discussion of both Al and Ann at the currently active Ann Coulter topic. Schrafinator has posted the most recent message there, which supplies a link to the Al Franken site (http://www.al-franken.com/).

That in turn leads to another site, which contains Al's An Evening with Ann Coulter: Opening Statement.

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Message 17 of 139 (385258)
02-14-2007 8:02 PM
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04-06-2005 4:29 AM


He's doing it!
About 2 years ago Minnemooses writes:

2 1/2 years ago, a plane crash killed Minnesota Senator Paul Wellstone, about 2 weeks before the election. Former Senator and Vice President Walter Mondale became the fill in Democratic candidate, vs. Republican Norm Coleman. Norm Coleman won.

After that election, Minnesota native Al Franken made the statement that he might be interested in returning to Minnesota, and running against Norm Coleman in 2008.

Al Franken enters Minnesota Senate race

MINNEAPOLIS - Al Franken announced Wednesday that he will run for the Senate in 2008, making it clear that the comedian and author of "Rush Limbaugh Is A Big Fat Idiot" wants to be taken seriously as a political figure.

More there, including links to video clips.

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Message 18 of 139 (478719)
08-19-2008 11:38 PM


Joel Stein on the state of the Franken campaign
The current Time Magazine has an interesting article on how Al Franken's campaign is going.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1832628,00.html

The printer (and reader?} friendly version is at http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1832628,00.html

Moose


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Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.

"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." - H.L. Mencken (1880-1956)

"Nixon was a professional politician, and I despised everything he stood for — but if he were running for president this year against the evil Bush-Cheney gang, I would happily vote for him." - Hunter S. Thompson

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Message 19 of 139 (479295)
08-26-2008 9:47 AM


well he was horrible at talk radio, and helped to run air america into the ground, maybe the total BS game of politics is where his niche is.
  
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Message 20 of 139 (488338)
11-10-2008 2:49 AM


(As I understand it) It looks like we'll know the final results in December
quote:
Republican Sen. Norm Coleman's lead over Democrat Al Franken stood at 236 votes Thursday night.

With nearly 2.9 million ballots cast, the difference between the top two candidates is about one one-hundredth of a percentage point.


Source

It's now early Monday morning, so the above story was about 3 days ago.

The most up to date info

quote:
Independence 			DEAN BARKLEY 	437385	15.16
Republican NORM COLEMAN 1211556 41.99
Democratic-Farmer-Labor AL FRANKEN 1211335 41.98

As I look at this, the Coleman lead is 221 votes.

They've been checking all the bookkeeping. This will be followed by a full blown recount.

Moose

Edited by Minnemooseus, : Add Dean Barkley numbers and tweak table format.


Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.

"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." - H.L. Mencken (1880-1956)

"Nixon was a professional politician, and I despised everything he stood for — but if he were running for president this year against the evil Bush-Cheney gang, I would happily vote for him." - Hunter S. Thompson

"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose


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Message 21 of 139 (488342)
11-10-2008 4:05 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Minnemooseus
11-10-2008 2:49 AM


The Dean Barkley factor
quote:
Independence DEAN BARKLEY 437385 15.16
Republican NORM COLEMAN 1211556 41.99
Democratic-Farmer-Labor AL FRANKEN 1211335 41.98

My understanding is that Dean Barkley was drawing votes about equally from both Republicans and Democrats. His positions were very good - He was a very attractive candidate.

I suspect that without the voter attitude that "a vote for Barkley is a vote for the candidate you don't want", his totals could have been much higher. Had Minnesota had a instant runoff system in place, I could envision the vote having been split into about equal thirds, with any of the three coming in in third place.

Added by edit:

If Barkley had managed to come in at least 2nd place, the runoff would be Barkley vs. Coleman or Barkley vs. Franken. I see Barkley taking the bulk of the 2nd choice votes of the eliminated candidate, and winning the election.

Moose

Edited by Minnemooseus, : See above.


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Message 22 of 139 (488699)
11-15-2008 1:13 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Minnemooseus
11-10-2008 2:49 AM


Re: (As I understand it) It looks like we'll know the final results in December
The previous tally as of Nov. 11:

quote:
Independence DEAN BARKLEY 437385 15.16
Republican NORM COLEMAN 1211556 41.99
Democratic-Farmer-Labor AL FRANKEN 1211335 41.98

The current tally (Nov. 14), after the checking of the bookkeeping:

quote:
Independence DEAN BARKLEY 437389 15.16	
Republican NORM COLEMAN 211565 41.99
Democratic-Farmer-Labor AL FRANKEN 1211359 41.98

So, Dean Barkley gained 4 votes, Norm Coleman gained 9 votes, and Al Franken gained 24 votes. I believe it's now time for the ballot by ballot recount. Minnesota has a paper ballot for all the votes done.

An article from an apparent right-wing source, dated Nov. 12th: Mischief in Minnesota?

quote:
Up in Two Harbors, another liberal outpost, Mr. Franken picked up an additional 246 votes. In Partridge Township, he racked up another 100. Election officials in both places claim they initially miscommunicated the numbers. Odd, because in the Two Harbors precinct, none of the other contests recorded any changes in their vote totals.

Also much more to read there.

I'm living and voting in a precinct about 5 miles from Two Harbors, and I was an election judge for 3 hours in a nearby township (NOT Partridge).

I subscribe to the local weekly newspaper, based out of Two Harbors. Alas, my copy is currently waiting in my post office box. I'll have to see if they have a story on the above question.

Moose


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Message 23 of 139 (488700)
11-15-2008 1:26 AM
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11-15-2008 1:13 AM


Re: (As I understand it) It looks like we'll know the final results in December
quote:
In Partridge Township, he racked up another 100. Election officials in both places claim they initially miscommunicated the numbers. Odd, because in the Two Harbors precinct, none of the other contests recorded any changes in their vote totals.

I seem to recall reading a story that they initially reported that got Franken 24 votes, but the next day, someone realized his total was actually 124, and corrected the total. I don't recall seeing anything accounting for the Two Harbors discrepancy, but it's not hard to imagine a similar reporting error.

I gotta say, if they don't have anything more than innuendo and name calling, I'm not particularly interested in reading any more of the story.


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Message 24 of 139 (488878)
11-18-2008 11:18 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Minnemooseus
11-15-2008 1:13 AM


OK, the story where those extra votes came from
quote:
Up in Two Harbors, another liberal outpost, Mr. Franken picked up an additional 246 votes. In Partridge Township, he racked up another 100. Election officials in both places claim they initially miscommunicated the numbers. Odd, because in the Two Harbors precinct, none of the other contests recorded any changes in their vote totals.

Partridge Township in not in the Two Harbors area - I have no further information there.

The story in Two Harbors, per the local newspaper:

quote:
(Lake County) Auditor Steve McMahon explained that on election night, a typo was made when staff in his office entered totals for the Minnesota Secretary of States website.

The last digit of Franken's vote total was dropped, temporarily leving his tally for Ward 1 at 27 instead of 273. When the auditor's staff reviewed the paperwork the next morning, the mistake was caught and corrected.


They go on to say that the corrected values were in line with the nature of the vote elsewhere in Lake County.

Anyhow, 27 votes + 246 votes = 273 votes for Franken in that voting precinct.

The Nov. 14th totals:

quote:
Independence DEAN BARKLEY 437389 15.16
Republican NORM COLEMAN 211565 41.99
Democratic-Farmer-Labor AL FRANKEN 1211359 41.98

The current vote totals:

quote:
Independence DEAN BARKLEY 437404 15.16	
Republican NORM COLEMAN 1211590 41.99
Democratic-Farmer-Labor AL FRANKEN 1211375 41.98

So Barkley gained another 15 votes, Coleman gained 25 votes, and Franken gained 16 votes.

I believe those totals are still just bookkeeping checks and corrections. The manual recount is still to come.

In Minnesota, the ballot was a "fill in the ovals next to the name" thing. Many (most?) precincts had machines to read the ballots and total the votes. Now they can check on the machines, including where the voter intent was clear (such as circling the name) but unreadable by the machine. Anyway, a paper trail.

Moose


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Message 25 of 139 (489041)
11-22-2008 5:40 AM


News etc. on the recount
The Recount Referee

Former Senator weighs in on recount

5 Eyewitness News Truth Test

Media Matters: The media's Minnesota debacle

Anyone who wants to look at the details of the election vote totals etc can go to http://electionresults.sos.state.mn.us/20081104/

which in turn leads to http://electionresults.sos.state.mn.us/20081104/SenateRecount.asp, which is the senate recount stuff.

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Message 26 of 139 (489151)
11-23-2008 11:32 PM
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11-22-2008 5:40 AM


Re: News etc. on the recount
http://electionresults.sos.state.mn.us/20081104/SenateRecount.asp

Latest totals:

quote:
Precincts recounted: 73.24% (3025 of 4130)

Totals:

Nov. 4 Ballots Cast for Norm Coleman 809454
Nov. 4 Ballots Cast for Al Franken 784022

Recounted data:

RECOUNT Number of Ballots for Coleman (as recounted) 808785 42.22 %
RECOUNT Number of Ballots for Franken (as recounted) 783401 40.90 %
RECOUNT Number of All Other Ballots (as recounted) 321425 16.78 %
RECOUNT COLEMAN and Other Ballots Challenged By FRANKEN 945 0.05 %
RECOUNT FRANKEN and Other Ballots Challenged By COLEMAN 948 0.05 %

Percentage of Ballots Recounted = 65.65 %


Coleman 808785 + 945 = 809730
Franken 783401 + 948 = 784349

Apparently the top totals were the original election count and the bottom total are the current recount count, for those 3025 of 4130 precincts recounted. Assuming the challenged ballots don't get rejected:

Coleman 809730 - 809454 = 276 votes gained so far in the recount.
Franken 784349 - 784022 = 327 votes gained so far in the recount.

But one-third of the ballots are not yet recounted. Seemingly they are the larger (urban?) precincts which are more heavily Franken. Things would seem to be looking up for Al. Remember, the pre-recount totals were Coleman 41.99% and Franken 41.98%.

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Message 27 of 139 (489289)
11-25-2008 9:59 PM
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11-23-2008 11:32 PM


The current score
http://electionresults.sos.state.mn.us/20081104/SenateRecount.asp

quote:
 Precincts Recounted: 85.93% (3549 of 4130) 	 Last update was: 11/25/2008 8:00:03 PM

Statewide Recount Results for US Senate
Totals
Nov. 4 Ballots Cast for Norm Coleman 980121
Nov. 4 Ballots Cast for Al Franken 977580

Recounted Data Totals Percent
RECOUNT Number of Ballots for Coleman (as recounted) 978751 41.58
RECOUNT Number of Ballots for Franken (as recounted) 976187 41.47
RECOUNT Number of All Other Ballots (as recounted) 395548 16.80
RECOUNT COLEMAN and Other Ballots Challenged By FRANKEN 1758 0.07
RECOUNT FRANKEN and Other Ballots Challenged By COLEMAN 1836 0.08

Percentage of Ballots Recounted = 80.62 %


Things have tightened up.

Moose


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Message 28 of 139 (489294)
11-26-2008 12:21 AM
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Re: The current score
Wow, this sure is close. Will be interesting to see how it turns out after they get those last votes recounted and fully sorted out!
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Message 29 of 139 (489435)
11-27-2008 1:53 AM
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11-25-2008 9:59 PM


The current score - Coleman/Franken gap slightly wider
http://electionresults.sos.state.mn.us/20081104/SenateRecount.asp

quote:
Precincts Recounted: 89.64% (3702 of 4130) 	 Last update was: 11/26/2008 8:00:03 PM

Statewide Recount Results for US Senate

Totals
Nov. 4 Ballots Cast for Norm Coleman 1046101
Nov. 4 Ballots Cast for Al Franken 1042208

Recounted Data Totals Percent
RECOUNT Number of Ballots for Coleman (as recounted) 1044255 41.56
RECOUNT Number of Ballots for Franken (as recounted) 1040285 41.41
RECOUNT Number of All Other Ballots (as recounted) 423102 16.84
RECOUNT COLEMAN and Other Ballots Challenged By FRANKEN 2292 0.09
RECOUNT FRANKEN and Other Ballots Challenged By COLEMAN 2448 0.10

Percentage of Ballots Recounted = 86.04 %


Moose


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Message 30 of 139 (490472)
12-04-2008 11:53 PM
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11-27-2008 1:53 AM


The current score - Al's in the lead at the moment
http://electionresults.sos.state.mn.us/20081104/SenateRecount.asp

quote:
Precincts Recounted: 99.37% (4104 of 4130) Last update was: 12/4/2008 8:00:01 PM

Statewide Recount Results for US Senate
Totals
Nov. 4 Ballots Cast for Norm Coleman 1195885
Nov. 4 Ballots Cast for Al Franken 1200533

Recounted Data Totals Percent
RECOUNT Number of Ballots for Coleman (as recounted) 1193307 41.33
RECOUNT Number of Ballots for Franken (as recounted) 1197965 41.49
RECOUNT Number of All Other Ballots (as recounted) 489577 16.96
RECOUNT COLEMAN and Other Ballots Challenged By FRANKEN 3197 0.11
RECOUNT FRANKEN and Other Ballots Challenged By COLEMAN 3311 0.11

Percentage of Ballots Recounted = 98.88%


These were the pre-recount results (from message 24):

quote:
Independence DEAN BARKLEY                                   437404        15.16	
Republican NORM COLEMAN 1211590 41.99
Democratic-Farmer-Labor AL FRANKEN 1211375 41.98

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