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Minnemooseus
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Message 61 of 119 (513661)
06-30-2009 6:27 PM


We have a (2nd) Senator
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090630/ap_on_el_se/us_minnesota_senate

quote:
GOP's Coleman concedes, sending Franken to Senate

ST. PAUL, Minn. Republican Norm Coleman conceded to Democrat Al Franken in Minnesota's contested Senate race on Tuesday, hours after a unanimous state Supreme Court ruled the former "Saturday Night Live" comedian should be certified the winner.


and

quote:
Coleman could have carried his fight into the federal courts, but it was unlikely a federal court would have overturned the state Supreme Court decision. That possibility created months of intrigue over whether Gov. Tim Pawlenty would sign an election certificate if Coleman continued an appeal a possibility that quickly became moot with Coleman's concession.

Pawlenty said he would sign the certificate later Tuesday.


Moose


Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.

"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." - H.L. Mencken (1880-1956)

"Nixon was a professional politician, and I despised everything he stood for — but if he were running for president this year against the evil Bush-Cheney gang, I would happily vote for him." - Hunter S. Thompson

"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose


    
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Message 62 of 119 (513725)
07-01-2009 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Coyote
12-24-2008 8:47 PM


Thank you for the long list of left wing talking points.

Hey, you shut up Coyote about liberal talking points!!!

There was a clown in office and we want him to stand trial for war crimes!!!

I love the comedic images, what can I say?

Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.


"Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson
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Minnemooseus
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Message 63 of 119 (515032)
07-15-2009 12:10 AM


Opening Statement From New Senate Clown (on Judge Sotomayor's nomination)
Nice speech, with the choicest part being:

quote:
I am wary of judicial activism and I believe in judicial restraint. Except under the most exceptional circumstances, the judicial branch is designed to show deep deference to Congress and not make policy by itself.

Yet looking at recent decisions on voting rights, campaign finance reform, and a number of other topics, it appears that appropriate deference may not have been shown in the past few years - and there are ominous signs that judicial activism is on the rise in these areas.

I agree with Senator Feingold and Senator Whitehouse that we hear a lot about judicial activism when politicians talk about what kind of judge they want in the Supreme Court. But it seems that their definition of an activist judge is one who votes differently than they would like. Because during the Rehnquist Court, Justice Clarence Thomas voted to overturn federal laws more than Justices Stevens and Breyer combined.


Source

Moose

Edited by Minnemooseus, : Add "(on Judge Sotomayor's nomination)" part to subtitle.


    
Minnemooseus
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Message 64 of 119 (694426)
03-24-2013 5:43 PM


Michele Bachmann considering challenging Al Franken for his senate seat

Source

quote:
Bachmann would go splat against Franken, and the big bonus: shed lose her House seat as well.

Moose


Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.

"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

"Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien

"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose


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Message 65 of 119 (694529)
03-25-2013 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by Minnemooseus
03-24-2013 5:43 PM


Re: Michele Bachmann considering challenging Al Franken for his senate seat
Oh! If this happens, I promise I will reconsider if God exists!

Oh please, oh please, oh please!!!


If we long for our planet to be important, there is something we can do about it. We make our world significant by the courage of our questions and by the depth of our answers. --Carl Sagan

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ooh-child
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Message 66 of 119 (694554)
03-25-2013 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Minnemooseus
03-24-2013 5:43 PM


Re: Michele Bachmann considering challenging Al Franken for his senate seat
I'm not sure she'll make it in Congress long enough to challenge Al.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/...chmann-s-political-woes.html

She may not have enough funds to afford the race.


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Minnemooseus
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Message 67 of 119 (703608)
07-25-2013 6:33 PM


Franken & Davis as The Rolling Stones - "Under My Thumb"

Found via http://www.salon.com/2013/07/25/al_frankens_final_punchline/

which included:

quote:
I am worried about Al Franken, President Obama joked in March. How do you start off being one of the original writers for Saturday Night Live and end up being the second-funniest Senator in Minnesota?

Which in turn was found via http://freethoughtblogs.com/...ranken-exceeding-expectations

I'm not at all sure how much of the guitar playing is actually Davis and how much of the singing is actually Franken.

Moose

Edited by Minnemooseus, : Add quote.


Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.

"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

"Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien

"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose


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ringo
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Message 68 of 119 (703622)
07-26-2013 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Minnemooseus
07-25-2013 6:33 PM


Re: Franken & Davis as The Rolling Stones - "Under My Thumb"
Minnemooseus writes:

I'm not at all sure how much of the guitar playing is actually Davis and how much of the singing is actually Franken.


It's hard to parody Mick Jagger but I think Mick does it better.
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dronestar
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Message 69 of 119 (703641)
07-26-2013 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Minnemooseus
03-24-2013 5:43 PM


Re: Michele Bachmann considering challenging Al Franken for his senate seat
quote:
Michele Bachmann considers running against Al Franken; Matchup would pit famous comedian against nationally respected politician who used to be on SNL.

"nationally RESPECTED politician"? With humorless irony like that, it's no wonder clueless americans keep voting in clowns.

Al Franken supports the NSA surveillance program against americans: he voted AGAINST the Amash NSA Amendment (ends the indiscriminate collection of phone and email records) on Wednesday. Besides Democrats Minority Leader Pelosi and Minority Whip Hoyer, and of course Bush Jr. II (Obama), Franken has gone on record AGAINST the fourth amendment:

quote:
Fourth Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

quote:
Perhaps the most fundamental problem with the NSA's constitutional theory is that it has no limit. If the constitution is blind to the collection of our data and limits only the NSA's later uses of it, then the NSA truly can 'collect it all' now and ask questions later. Our emails, phone calls and internet activities would all be very simple for the NSA to collect under the NSA's theory. But it could go much further. It could put video cameras on every street corner, it could install microphones in every home and it could even remotely copy the contents of every computer hard drive.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...g-executione_b_3653075.html


quote:
We now know that NSA used Sec. 215 to collect metadata on every phone call that every American has made, reportedly over the last seven years. That metadata includes numbers dialed, numbers of incoming calls, times of the calls, and routing information. Many Members who voted for the Patriot Act, including the past chairman of the laws authorizing committee, have stated that NSAs blanket surveillance program is far beyond what was intended in the law.

http://amash.house.gov/speech/amash-nsa-amendment-fact-sheet


So laugh and deride all you want about Bachmann, because the last laugh is on us 99%ers.


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ringo
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Message 70 of 119 (703681)
07-27-2013 12:12 PM
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07-26-2013 3:29 PM


Re: Michele Bachmann considering challenging Al Franken for his senate seat
dronester writes:

... it's no wonder clueless americans keep voting in clowns.

Al Franken supports the NSA surveillance program against americans: he voted AGAINST the Amash NSA Amendment (ends the indiscriminate collection of phone and email records) on Wednesday. Besides Democrats Minority Leader Pelosi and Minority Whip Hoyer, and of course Bush Jr. II (Obama), Franken has gone on record AGAINST the fourth amendment:


Your train of thought seems to have missed the switch. Franken was a clown before he was elected. He may have become a nut or a fascist or something else but none of those positions make him a clown.

By the way, there's a reason why we elect representatives and allow them to express different opinions. And it's even permissible to take a position against parts of the Constitution. It isn't carved in stone.


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Message 71 of 119 (703722)
07-28-2013 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by ringo
07-27-2013 12:12 PM


Actually
And it's even permissible to take a position against parts of the Constitution. It isn't carved in stone.

... yes it is.


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dronestar
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Message 72 of 119 (703760)
07-29-2013 9:26 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by ringo
07-27-2013 12:12 PM


Re: Michele Bachmann considering challenging Al Franken for his senate seat
RingO writes:

Franken was a clown before he was elected.

Well, IMO, he is now a treasonous clown . . .

RingO writes:

By the way, there's a reason why we elect representatives and allow them to express different opinions.

No, we don't bother to elect representatives knowing they might flip their stance AGAINST their oath:

quote:
At the start of each new Congress, the entire House of Representatives and one-third of the Senate are sworn into office. This oath-taking dates to 1789, the first Congress; however, the current oath was fashioned in the 1860s, by Civil War-era members of Congress.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

The first Congress developed this requirement into a simple, 14-word oath:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support the Constitution of the United States."

http://uspolitics.about.com/...nment/a/oaths_of_office_4.htm



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Message 73 of 119 (703774)
07-29-2013 11:45 AM
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07-28-2013 8:50 PM


Re: Actually
Dr Adequate writes:

ringo writes:

It isn't carved in stone.


... yes it is.

It's going to be a mess the next time they amend it.
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ringo
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Message 74 of 119 (703775)
07-29-2013 11:52 AM
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07-29-2013 9:26 AM


Re: Michele Bachmann considering challenging Al Franken for his senate seat
DronesteR writes:

Well, IMO, he is now a treasonous clown . . .


Oxymoron. (And IMO, "treason" is an obsolete term that belongs to the feudal system.)

DronesteR writes:

No, we don't bother to elect representatives knowing they might flip their stance AGAINST their oath:


"Supporting the Constitution" doesn't preclude criticizing it.

And you definitely should be aware that anybody you elect may change his/her stance on any issue. That's why you also have the power to un-elect them.


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dronestar
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Message 75 of 119 (703776)
07-29-2013 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by ringo
07-29-2013 11:52 AM


Re: Michele Bachmann considering challenging Al Franken for his senate seat
RingO writes:

"Supporting the Constitution" doesn't preclude criticizing it.

One cannot support the constitution (as Franken's stated in his oath) and attack it at the same time.

RingO writes:

And you definitely should be aware that anybody you elect may change his/her stance on any issue.

Yep, Republican Representative Richard L. Hanna of New York went against his constituent's wishes when he voted FOR Same-Sex Marriage in New York. Boy, his base was mad at him.

So, yes, when the change is evolutionary progressive as Hanna's change was, that is good.

And when the stance changes to support de-evolutionary, pro-police state, fascism, constitution rejectionism, anti-liberty, attacking of right's . . . then it is bad. [Unless you are Adolf Hitler, which it then is good. Cue Crashfrog's relativist counter-arguments trumping people's inalienable rights and liberties]

RingO writes:

That's why you also have the power to un-elect them.

Like the destruction of some environmental habitats, once something is utterly destroyed, it is nearly impossible to bring it back. Once you drive over a cliff (oh no, please Tempe, no more cliff analogies), stepping on the brakes doesn't have much an effect . . .

The NSA is contracting hundreds of companies to employ tens of thousands of employees like Snowden. Just like funding the industrial military complex, once its presence is enmeshed in the budget, it will be nearly impossible to reduce. There will be too much money/power to reduce it.

I am fond of paraphrasing the following saying in my many crusades on the forum, "I am trying to prevent the epidemic, while Franken is driving the infected monkey to the airport." . . .

It's imperative to fight the attacks on our liberties now, not the next election cycle. My freedom-hating NY Senator Dem Charles E. Schumer, along with Franken, Pelosi, and Obama support a police state and attack my rights and liberties. The clueless voters keep voting them in.

What can I do?


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