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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Isn't an American someone who retains American citizenship?
Isn't that the official, legal definition?
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iano Member (Idle past 1941 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Jar writes: Instead, they love to just toss out any evidence that might threaten their beliefs. This is simply another acknolwedgement that their position is so weak, their faith and beliefs so weak, their religion so weak that it cannot withstand any challenge. I'd almost ask what evidence/challenge you're talking about except that I'm afraid I only get the 'sheep and goats' story chucked onto the table again...yaaaawwwnnn.
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iano Member (Idle past 1941 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
A Christian is born not bred
There is no absolute guarantee that they won't be hateful. If the above is correct then someone professing it may not be one at all.
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iano Member (Idle past 1941 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Schraf writes: Isn't an American someone who retains American citizenship? Isn't that the official, legal definition? Funny. The bible talks of believers as "citizens of heaven". Think you may have touched on the best definition of all Schraf. Someone is made a citizen. They may be black white good or bad - but it doesn't affect the legal position they hold. In other words, all this professing and believing and denomination stuff is a side issue. A Christian (biblically) is one who has been made or declared so...by God?
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3978 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.3 |
iano writes: There is no absolute guarantee that they won't be hateful. If the above is correct then someone professing it may not be one at all. I know, I know...they're slippery customers, those self-professed Christians! I've decided to conclude that anyone who claims to be a Christian is a liar unless they gladly let me slap them around at least twice.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I've decided to conclude that anyone who claims to be a Christian is a liar unless they gladly let me slap them around at least twice. Perhaps you are confusing Christian and Christ-like. They are separate characterizations and it would be most unwise of you to assume that all Christians are Christ like. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3978 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.3 |
I know, jar. My weariness with if-they-don't-agree-with-my-dogma, they-are-not-Christians makes me sometimes flippant, sometimes angry--in this instance, a bit of both.
I grew up with blue collar Christians. None of them were Christ-like; slapping any one of them would have been a hazard, and, imho, rightly so.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3978 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.3 |
...and as I've remarked to iano before, my policy is to take people at their word about their religious beliefs/affiliation.
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bkelly Inactive Member |
Lizard Breath writes: I can't answer it any more clearly. If you accept evolution, then you are wasting your time persueing the God of the Bible. They cannot coexist. That is not what the pope says. The pope is about as christian and one can get, and probably about as conservative as they come. Check the in the new thread I started about Vatican snubs ID.(edited to fix a typo) This message has been edited by bkelly, 11-28-2005 05:51 PM
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bkelly Inactive Member |
Omnivorous writes: I grew up with blue collar Christians. None of them were Christ-like; slapping any one of them would have been a hazard, and, imho, rightly so. Debating how much they need the slapping around might not be productive, regardless of how accurate and fun that might be.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3978 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.3 |
True. Pardon my slippage.
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3941 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
If you can attack the Bible at it's very core and prove or demonstrate that it is incorrect in it's assesment of how we got here, the entire credibility of the Bible is destroyed. Since according to the Bible, the first 5 days of creation were only witnessed by God, then if the account is wrong, then what else could you believe in the book. etc. The "if you can't believe all of it, then how can you believe any of it" attitude seems to be a common theme expressed by fundamentalist Christians. This is applied to the Bible in general, and to the creationism of Genesis in specific (and, as a side note, also to the theory of evolution, both biological and in the broader sense of the term). I think the general content of your message is deserving of being it's own topic. Titled something along the lines of "Bible: Can you believe some of it, if you don't believe all of it". But that may be more characters that the title field will permit. Cheers, Moose (with Adminnemooseus looking over the shoulder) Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham
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DorfMan Member (Idle past 6081 days) Posts: 282 From: New York Joined: |
I would ask if citizenship is enough to make an American.
I would ask that you look at a fractured country, and I would ask that you look at fractured Christianity to deliberate either definition. I believe you know that citizenship is NOT enough.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I know, jar. My weariness with if-they-don't-agree-with-my-dogma, they-are-not-Christians makes me sometimes flippant, sometimes angry--in this instance, a bit of both. But never humble, in order to consider that you might be wrong.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3978 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.3 |
Faith writes: But never humble, in order to consider that you might be wrong. Mote and beam, Faith, mote and beam.
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