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Author Topic:   Behe Bit It (Michael Behe on "The Colbert Report")
nator
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Message 138 of 152 (415312)
08-09-2007 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by ICANT
08-08-2007 11:17 AM


Re: ID in Rhythm
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You did not deny that a monopoly exists. But lets face the truth, either you are in the brotherhood or you are on the outside. To be in the brotherhood you are not allowed to speak against what the brotherhood believes to be the truth.
That is so not true!
Science is an extremely competitive and contentious profession. Graduate school and dissertation defense is brutal, peer-review is harsh, standing up and giving a presentation at a conference means that anyone present can, and is expected to grill you mercilessly.
Thin-skinned people who get upset when their work is criticized and picked apart shouldn't even attempt the field.
The most famous scientists are those who have challenged the prevailing ideas of the time in their fields; Gould and Eldredge and Einstein, for example. Scientists who overlook flaws in their peers' or their own research out of some desire to "not rock the boat" or something would be considered strange indeed and certainly wouldn't have a successful career.
Now, what will be ignored and rejected by the scientific community is ideas which are put forth as scientific but are not actually scientific.
But this is not even relevant to the DI people, including Behe, since none of them have never submitted any research papers to any peer reviewed journal to be considered for publication.
It is a bit rich to accuse the "brotherhood" of scientists of not allowing Behe and other DI folks a place at the table when they don't even show up for dinner.
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Neither does a lot of the notions and beliefs of a lot of other scientist (which becomes their religion) that are being taught in the science classroom as a fact of science.
Such as?

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nator
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Message 139 of 152 (415315)
08-09-2007 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by ICANT
08-08-2007 6:52 PM


Re: ID in Rhythm
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Atheism IMHO is a religion full grown except for admitting it and petitioning the government for religious status.
What are the religious tenets of Atheism?
Is the absence of belief in the Invisible Pink Unicorn a religion too?
What about the lack of belief in Santa Claus?
The Boogey Man?
You and I both must actually adhere to, literally, millions of religions since we also lack belief in, literally, millions and millions of supernatural entities.
PS I suggest learning a bit more about what Atheism actually is before making such asinine proclamations.

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nator
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Message 146 of 152 (415379)
08-09-2007 8:10 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by mike the wiz
08-09-2007 1:53 PM


Re: ID in Rhythm
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I've watched some programmes that seem to show that there is a branch of atheism that is considered a strong ideology that determinedly rejects the existence of God, by trying to reason that he is not there, and posit that this conclusion can be reached objectively.
So, if someone determinedly rejects the existence of Santa Claus, by trying to reason that he is not there, and posits that this conclusion can be reached objectively, should they be regarded as a fundamentalist? A religious fundamentalist, in particular?
The word religious is importnt, since that's what ICANT is claiming Atheism is.
What are the religious tenets of Atheism, mike?
Is disbelief in Santa Claus a religion?

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