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Behe Bit It (Michael Behe on "The Colbert Report")

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anastasia
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08-03-2007 10:47 PM 		Reply to: Message 1 by molbiogirl
08-03-2007 5:45 PM

Sorry, molbiogirl, I find the whole thing dumb.
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What do people mean 'it may not be God designing'? Of course it's God, because 'God' just so happens to be what the English speaking world calls The Intelligent Designer.
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All this talk of aliens and angels and superheroes is just more possible wardrobe for the Designer Plays, aka, religions. Chances are there is no long white beard in the trunk.
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08-04-2007 12:22 AM 		Reply to: Message 18 by DrJones*
08-03-2007 11:14 PM

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great so who provided the design for "God"?
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No way to know unless we find out what God is.
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08-04-2007 12:58 AM 		Reply to: Message 20 by Rob
08-04-2007 12:36 AM

Rob writes:
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What qualities would you give the eternal and infinite nature of causation?
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You seem to suppose that everything needs a cause. That is not true...
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ana promotion alert here...did you visit my thread?
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Not everyone believes in an eternality, but many are comfortable with the 'uncaused' as a scientific concept. I remember in my thread, there was some defense about whether 'uncaused' = 'eternal'. I ran out of steam on that, but you might get it going again.
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08-04-2007 1:56 AM 		Reply to: Message 23 by Dr Adequate
08-04-2007 1:22 AM

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If you want to retreat into Deism, I don't think anyone's going to stop you.
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This is one of them weird EvC nights where things are becoming 'coherent'. Rob is now a pantheist AND a deist.
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08-04-2007 2:39 AM 		Reply to: Message 27 by Rob
08-04-2007 2:22 AM

Rob writes:
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The only other option is that (all of this) something, came from nothing.
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I mention my conversation with Straggler.
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IIRC, he believes in 'all came from nothing'.
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Throwing in an eternal 'something' is not really doing justice to that concept.
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Is God a 'something', or a 'nothing'? It gets tricky.
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If God is something, He came from 'Something' prior. If He is nothing, he is natural, and we are pantheistic. Somehow, the two ideas have to be combined. God must be 'everything' and yet have the capability to 'melt' into parts...panentheism perhaps in theology, but inexplicable in terms of science.
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08-04-2007 3:47 AM 		Reply to: Message 31 by Rob
08-04-2007 2:52 AM

Rob writes:
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No... your falling into the materialist trap. Read your Bible... God is Spirit.
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I am not in a trap. I am only repeating ideas I have heard. Whatever I personally believe is not important in determining truth. A spiritual, super-natural, incorporeal being is not necessarily un-caused. Angels are not God.
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What is matter anastasia?
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That is what the quantum is all about. Even matter is 'not matter' at the quantum realm. So these nice neat boxes that the naturalist likes to portray are full of holes.
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I understand, matter is not only that which is visible or tangible. It is all of the laws, including gravity. Yes, that is not 'matter' as far as science goes, but God as an invisible force is 'materialization'.
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