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Glordag2 Inactive Member |
quote: You have mentioned this occurance several times, yet you have failed to present information about it even when several members have questioned whether or not it happened. Would you care to at least inform us of who this publisher was, what he tried to publish, and in which journal it was refused? A simple link would do just fine. Or at least a name, so that we might look it up ourselves.
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Clark Inactive Member |
Meyer, Stephen C. 2004. The origin of biological information and the higher taxonomic categories. Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington 117(2):213-239.
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Glordag2 Inactive Member |
*nod* Thanks. Now it's time for me to research (:
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deerbreh Member (Idle past 2921 days) Posts: 882 Joined: |
randman writes: Could it not be that massively higher numbers of transitional fossils are indeed predicted, and thus the numbers of theorized transitionals, taken as a whole, would be strong evidence against ToE. In fact, no, that is not the prediction. Fossils of any kind are rare because fossilation itself is a relatively rare event. Most animals and plants decompose completely when they die. When we do have a fossil it is usually only part of the organism - in the case of animals, typically the skeleton, exoskeleton or shell. Soft body parts are hardly ever fossilized. So if a change occured there it wouldn't even be recorded. In spite of that, there are many transitional fossils. Here is a link that summerizes the transitional fossils if you are interested. Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ
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Tal Member (Idle past 5705 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
Fossils of any kind are rare because fossilation itself is a relatively rare event. Flood? "Why not go to war just for oil? We need oil. What do Hollywood celebrities imagine fuels their private jets? How do they think their cocaine is delivered to them?" --Ann Coulter
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deerbreh Member (Idle past 2921 days) Posts: 882 Joined: |
deerbreh writes: Fossils of any kind are rare because fossilation itself is a relatively rare event.
Tal writes: Flood? Is that a question? I don't understand the point you are making. I presume you are pointing out that fossils are formed in sediments deposited by flooding but nevertheless, it is still true that fossilation is a relatively rare event. Many animals and plants buried in sediment still do not fossilize.
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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 4173 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
Tal writes: I'll bite...WTF are you talking about?
Flood?
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Brad McFall Member (Idle past 5061 days) Posts: 3428 From: Ithaca,NY, USA Joined: |
Ned
EvC Forum: Evolution vs Intelligent Design has just recently asked Highlander to consider a re-write INTO one of the existing threads on ID. I dont know if this is one Nosy had without a sneeze, but I'll bring it back here as the "logical" link refers to Dempski's writhttp://www.designinference.com/ on Bush PDF. I have had a few things to say already inter thread alia but there is one other thing I can say relative to the a link Highlander provided and at the time I left off discussing the reproductive continuum that could be infinitesimal. I have in no way thought if this structure better fits creationism or ID if not only evc etc so... This is what I have additionally to say about an observation of translation in space and form-making, that indeed iT DOES not require "pre-existing information setTO "'function'" but only SORTING of 1-dimensional symmetry of ALTERNATIVE ALLELES that are statistically distributed across generations in fact. Because Dembski does refer to prior earth observer positions rather than paraphyly it is not clear that he has the correct information transfer between zygotes biologically and yet he distances ID from creationsim. THIS MEANS it seems most logically to me, that, the events that vital statistics MIGHT reveal MUST be a part of the "science" of ID but where is the inference that the design is not a natural product of artifical selections (at engineerable control of dominance) rather than a non-reducible complexity? If this is not discussed there MUST be a probablism UNLESS he is mistken that creationism IS NOT at odds with ID.
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mick Member (Idle past 5014 days) Posts: 913 Joined: |
Hi monk,
My reply was not meant to be glib. It is the reply I would give to a student who brings up religious questions in a science class. I have given some thought to what I would do in that situation, and my opinion is largely due to Jerry Coyne's comment in Nature (the text of which I post below)
quote: This message has been edited by mick, 08-16-2005 07:41 PM
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1372 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
amen!
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Monk Member (Idle past 3952 days) Posts: 782 From: Kansas, USA Joined: |
Hi mick,
I couldn't determine from the article whether Coyne was speaking of a high school biology class or at the college level. If at the college level, I would agree that a teacher could just tell a student "go talk to your preacher" and end it there. But as I've said up thread, in high school, I believe a brief discussion is warranted. Not to teach ID as Bush has suggested, but to reiterate through discussion that ID and creationism are not science. I draw a distinction between a "discussion" and "teaching".
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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 4173 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
Did anyone else watch "Face the Nation" this past Sunday? Howard Dean was the guest, and among the other valid points he made, he addressed a question about teaching ID in school. He said flat out that it is not science and in no way belongs in a science classroom. He went on a bit about how it would affect our science curriculum and the potential consequences of looking like a nation of scientific buffoons (my words, not his). All it all, it was nice to see a politician stand up for once and say, without hesitation, that ID/creationism is NOT science...that it's purely a religious endeavor and should be kept out of our science classrooms.
Go Howard...give em hell!
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Tal Member (Idle past 5705 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
Evolution is a religion as a well. One that believes a dog can produce a non-dog (despite zero evidence) and that a dog came from a rock 4.6 billion years agao (despite zero evidence).
No science there. BTW, please keep backing Howard Dean. Us conservatives love him. YEEEAAAAHHHHH!!!!!! 'Now isn't it amazing. I tell you that nobody made a simple toy like that (solar system model) and you don't believe me. Yet you gaze out into the solar System - the intricate marvelous machine that is around you - and you dare say to me that no one made that. I don't believe it'. -Sir Isaac Newton
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kjsimons Member Posts: 822 From: Orlando,FL Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
One that believes a dog can produce a non-dog (despite zero evidence) and that a dog came from a rock 4.6 billion years agao (despite zero evidence). Well it's a good thing that that's not what evolution say then isn't it? Really Tal, if you are going to make snide remarks about Evolution, you should have at least a basic understanding of what it is. You are only displaying your ignorance about evolution with your post. This message has been edited by kjsimons, 08-17-2005 08:57 AM
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Tal Member (Idle past 5705 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
Well it's a good thing that that's not what evolution say then isn't it? That is EXACTLY what evolution says. 'Now isn't it amazing. I tell you that nobody made a simple toy like that (solar system model) and you don't believe me. Yet you gaze out into the solar System - the intricate marvelous machine that is around you - and you dare say to me that no one made that. I don't believe it'. -Sir Isaac Newton
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