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Phat
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Message 4 of 32 (414787)
08-06-2007 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Straggler
08-05-2007 9:55 AM


One Phats Opinion
Its interesting that Sir. Richard talks of a "shifting zeitgeist" and that there is something in the air that changes. He is referring to a current of human awareness, of course...but the term zeitgeist means, literally...
  • n. - Zeitgeist -- (the spirit of the time; the spirit characteristic of an age or generation)
    Spirit (Holy Spirit) or spirits cannot be scientifically investigated---yet characteristics can.
    Like many of you here at EvC, Dawkins is a passionate and zealous proponent of logic over capricious and/or arbitrary belief. For him, there is simply no other proper way to explain the world that we live in!
    He does note, however, that even though religious men such as The Arch Bishop of Canterbury are wrong it does not imply that they are delusional.
    In religion, God is explained as knowable by some. He is also self described as I Am that I AM. For Dawkins, the core truth and necessary assertion of belief itself is grounded in testing, replication, and independent verification.
    I respect the man and believe that he is being honest.
    I have heard countless theologians, (many who earn a living off of God and find many of them to be less honest than I perceive Sir. Richard to be.
    My beliefs remain unchanged in regards to God, but my belief in the integrity of humanity increases when men such as Richard Dawkins are allowed to express themselves.

    Convictions are very different from intentions. Convictions are something God gives us that we have to do. Intentions are things that we ought to do, but we never follow through with them.
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    “The world has achieved brilliance without wisdom, power without conscience. Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants.”--General Omar Bradley
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    Homer Simpson: Sometimes, Marge, you just have to go with your gut!
    Marge: You *always* go with your gut! How about for once you listen to your brain?

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    Message 11 of 32 (415653)
    08-11-2007 12:02 PM
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    08-11-2007 11:52 AM


    Re: The question is how to determine the cause.
    Jar writes:
    I see GOD as creating whatever the basic forces were that brought this universe into existence, and who continues to intervene selectively.
    So....
    How Do You Know It Is God?

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    Message 13 of 32 (415659)
    08-11-2007 12:21 PM
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    08-11-2007 12:11 PM


    Re: The question is how to determine the cause.
    So out of all the religious people the world over who claim to haveheard from God, 0% actually did? Just because your or I don't know? How can we assert this?
    If only one person in all of History actually did hear from God and know beyond a reasonable doubt that it was God they heard, your assertion would be challenged.n
    Our mission now is to find this worm and redirect our question so as to ask how do we know that he knew God?
    Of course, even if he did know God, that does not get everybody else off the hook....unless God grants mulligans or unless belief is irrelevant.

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