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sidelined
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Message 1 of 144 (425724)
10-03-2007 10:06 PM


In message 25 of the thread "Seashells on tops of mountains" CFO states the following;
Have we forgotten that not only was the vapor canopy torn asunder causing torrential catastrophic rain, but the fountains of the deep were released pushing upward.
Now He does give examples from scripture that relate the translation of fountains of the deep however there are none I am aware of that speak of a vapour canopy. Now I have 2 questions. One what are the fountains of the deep and by what means do they arrive on the surface?
Number 2 what is a vapour canopy and what is the evidence for it?
Any creationists including Ray are quite welcome to offer a solution to these questions if they can.

God does not exist until there is proof he does.

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Message 4 of 144 (425771)
10-03-2007 11:55 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Cold Foreign Object
10-03-2007 11:37 PM


Cold Foreign Object
sidelined writes:
Number 2 what is a vapour canopy and what is the evidence for it?
If you were standing on a bridge built over a body of water and looked down whatever you see is the same thing that you would have seen if you looked up before the Flood.
Perhaps you would take the time now to answer the actual question of what evidence you have for and the nature of the vapour canopy?
Fountains of the deep are mysterious sources of water beneath the ocean surface
Now comes the fun part. How do the fountains of the deep erupt into the atmosphere from beneath the ocean?

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sidelined
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Message 16 of 144 (426410)
10-06-2007 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Hyroglyphx
10-06-2007 1:37 AM


Re: The Vapor Canopy theory
Nemesis Juggernaut
They took this to mean that it might be possible that it used to never rain in the antediluvian world because the vapor canopy, which is supposedly much like the ozone layer, trapped all moisture earth's atmosphere.
They must have a great deal of difficulty with Genesis 2:10,13 and 14 then. Since a river is dependent upon rainfall in order to exist how exactly do the creationists deal with this problem? Especially since these rivers are mentioned as occurring before Noah we are also left wondering at the notion creationists have of there being no rainbow before the flood as well.
It seems that there is very little input from the creationist side concerning these statements. Am I too take it then that they have no real arguement that holds water? {pun intended}

God does not exist until there is proof he does.

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sidelined
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Message 36 of 144 (427750)
10-12-2007 5:22 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Hyroglyphx
10-06-2007 7:25 PM


Re: The Vapor Canopy theory
Nemesis_Juggernaut
They believed that the fountains of the deep, such as huge, cavernous springs, fed the tributaries.
Well then, why do they not settle the issue and check out those rivers mentioned in Genesis to locate these "fountains of the deep" and thereby have some actual evidence for their position?
Probably because no one ascribes to it within our resident creationists. You have to remember that the VC theory has been antiquated now for a number of years.
Well ICR has these pages still available at their website
http://www.icr.org/...
Aig is disputing a vapour canopy of any significant size though they are touting the fountains of the deep angle now. So, if we are to find that the fountains of the deep are a similarly useless theory, do you think that the creationists will admit that they are wrong? I doubt it since the likelihood is that they will claim it a miracle by dint of the fact that it has been shown that the event cannot have occurred and therefore they were right all along anyway.
The beauty of having a God is that you do not really need to explain a damn thing eh?
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sidelined
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Message 40 of 144 (432014)
11-03-2007 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by sidelined
10-12-2007 5:22 PM


Re: The Vapor Canopy theory
Are there no creationists on the sidelines that care to play this contact sport over the vapour canopy issue?Perhaps someone from ICR would care to debate this? I would hate to think that someone has a viable hypothesis that can be checked for compatibility with the laws of physics including the symmetry laws yet withholds making their claim known.
Since the law of the conservation of energy also implies that the laws of physics do not change over time then to say that they do one must also explain how the symmetry laws can change to accommodate this.
In doing so please remember that a change in the symmetry laws also changes all other phenomena dependent upon it.Tread carefully.

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