Vapour canopy and fountains of the deep

I have mentioned the 'water canopy' in another thread. Im not YEC btw.In Genesis 7:11 the expression "floodgates of the heavens" are both used to refer to the great water canopy that was around the earth in suspension and that is described at Genesis 1:6, 7 as "And God went on to say: "Let an expanse come to be in between the waters and let a dividing occur between the waters and the waters." 7Then God proceeded to make the expanse and to make a division between the waters that should be beneath the expanse and the waters that should be above the expanse."These 'waters' were said to be above the 'expanse'. In Vs 20 the expanse was the area of sky where birds were said to fly. So the water canopy was above the breathable atmosphere...in space.
This would have created a hothouse effect and the earth would have had gorgeous warm climate.
Moveing along to evidence of a warm climate, when scientist examined Ellesmere Island in Canadas Arctic Nthwest they found evidence that North America and Europe were once connected by a land bridge and that the climate in the area was once swampy and temperate.So lets say the earth was once covered by this canopy as Genesis says, it would certainly explain how the arctic regions were once warm climates.

Hi percy,I dont know how the water vapor remained aloft, but certainly it takes heat the keep water vaporised. The upper regions of the atmosphere (thermosphere) is at a high enough temperature to keep the water vaporised. Also we know that water vapor is lighter than air and other gases making up the atmosphere. So there is thus nothing physically impossible about thermal vapor blanket existing in the upper atmosphere.It actually would explain quite a lot in terms of the warm climate that the frozen arctic areas once enjoyed.The atmosphere on Mars has small traces of water vapor which are somehow suspended. Another reason not to doubt the validity of the claim that the earth may have had a water vapor at one time.

is it possible that the water vapor existed in the form of Hydrogen and Oxygen gas? There is more earth below sea level then there is above it. So couldnt the water still be here on earth?

its not impossible to know how much land is beneath the seas.

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The features of continental landscapes are mirrored by similar features on the ocean basins. Plateaus, plains, valleys, rolling hills, and volcanic cones and mountains are found beneath the waters of the oceans, just as they are on dry land. Yet the largest underwater mountains are higher than those on the continents, and underwater plains are flatter and more extensive than their dry counterparts. These "oceanscapes," at one time unseen and unknown, may resemble familiar landscapes, but on a much grander scale.

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No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.scienceclarified.com/landforms/Ocean-Basins-to-Volcanoes/Ocean-Basin.htmlScience has revealed that there IS much more land beneath the seas then there is above it.The water must have come from somewhere. Oxygen and Hydrogen dont just mix together to become water...it takes vasts amounts of energy to create water...so much energy that scientists cannot produce enough energy to create water from the two gasses according to my husband who happens to be one of you evc science ppl.So if science is going to assume that it just exists, then its no different to be accepting that God created it and put it there. Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

Jupiter and Saturn both have a thick atmosphere composed of mostly hydrogen and helium....why dont these gasses get lost in space?

you're rightthis is getting ridiculous! Such water shortages on earth and scientists can readily make waterwhy arent they doing that??? Did someone not say the magic word? Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

thats where I differ because i see that 70% of the earth is covered by water and I look at that as evidence of the earth being flooded by water.Like i said, i dont know how the water vapor was kept aloft according to Genesis, and doesnt concern me that I dont know how such things happened, instead i accept that it happened because God has the power to do it.

which was entirely my point if anyone had bothered to read my post properly in the first placeI asked a question in msg 81 (forgive me if thats inappropriate)

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is it possible that the water vapor existed in the form of Hydrogen and Oxygen gas?

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"The gasses of the thermosphere are so tenuous and any separated hydrogen is so kinetically energetic there is nearly nothing to stop it from being lost to space."So i asked why Jupiter and Saturn have such a gaseous atmosphere to which Anglegard spewed forth a diatribe of 'Oh for christs sake...bla bla bla troll bla bla bla"Good one. Its good to see maturity on evc.My point about water was that: "Oxygen and Hydrogen dont just mix together to become water...it takes vasts amounts of energy to create water...so much energy that scientists cannot produce enough energy to create water"Anglagard disagreed because she did not read my post correctly. I said nothing about hydrogen and oxygen not creating energy...I said they "dont just combine to create WATER, without vast amounts of energy"it seems to be what you are saying here .I certainly do understand that we cannot produce water. My reply to Anglegard in msg 90 was sarcasm.

have scientists ever tried to create such an experiment to see what the effects would be?

water in what form? Water is 2 parts hydrogen to one part oxygen yes?The vapor could have existed in gas form in the atmosphere just like they do on other planets...why is this impossible?(btw im not saying that this is what the bible says...im speculating)

We were discussing water shortages and my suggestion was simple. Why cant we create more water by combine Hydrogen and Oxygen?He said that the energy needed to make even a small amount of water would be too great and therefore not worth the effort which is why they are not even attempting it. both...he hasnt posted recently though.

Ah right I see what you mean now. Although im not convinced that God does not have the power to control such forces and release such energy safely.
So then we are back to the original question of how the water vapor may have existed in the atmosphere...what other possibilities are there? Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

no of course not.I asked that because you mentioned (msg 45) that, as water vapor, it would have been too heavy to stay in the atmosphere. Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

Hi Razd,
sorry i missed this earlier. Yes the bible does say that the earth was surrounded by water.Genesis 1:6 "Let an expanse come to be in between the waters and let a dividing occur between the waters and the waters." 7Then God proceeded to make the expanse and to make a division between the waters that should be beneath the expanse and the waters that should be above the expanse. And it came to be so. The waters "beneath" the atmospheric "expanse" were the waters on the surface of the earth. Whereas, "the waters ... above the expanse" were vast quantities of moisture suspended high above the area where birds were later said to fly. There is no mentions of the form of the water or how they were kept in place, just that they were there.Christian writers also wrote that the earth was surrounded by water.2Peter 3:5 "...there were heavens from of old and an earth standing compactly out of water and in the midst of water by the word of God; 6and by those [means] the world of that time suffered destruction when it was deluged with water"
Here peter is confirming the Genesis account of an earth being surrounded by water before it was deluged. You're right, we have a dilemma in that we dont see any evidence of water around the earth because its not there. If we believe the bible account, then we have to assume that the water that used to be the canopy is now located in the seas.
The question really is 'Could' the water in the sea have come from the upper region of the atmosphere?
Its not something we can prove nor disprove.However there is evidence of a time when the oceans were smaller and the continents were larger than they are now, eg river channels extending far out under the oceans. This must surely tell us that there was less water on earth at one time.So where did all this additional water come from? this is going off topic a little...but its a warm humid climate as opposed to a dry hot climate such as today. Besides, the global warming is not being caused by water, its being caused by carbon dioxide and other harmful substances. We cant compare apples with oranges. this still doesnt explain why there was a land bride that connected the continents that is no longer there... perhaps it was the additional water that moved the continent...something pretty powerful must have caused it to rotate. Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

I cant give up what i didnt take up.Im not attempting to prove my beliefs with science here. I'm throwing around 'could be's' because i dont believe that science is a closed book. I beleive there is still much that is unknown and still much to learn. Of course I believe the bible and i believe that the earth was surrounded by water because the bible says so. The bible does not attempt to explain it scientifically because thats not its purpose, but i dont think it can be written off as false simply because it cant be measured.Perhaps one day someone will work out how the water vapor stayed in the atmosphere.