Pre-Flood Waters?

Hey Meanbadger,First I notice you have been listening to Kent Hovind and Carl Baugh(sp). They are well known quacks, both of them have fake degrees and they spout nothing but lies.I regret to inform you that most of what you have posted has been discussed on these forums a hundred times. Fact is, non of it is true, and non of it coincides whith the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.Why not look thrugh some of the longer Great Floof and Geology threads. You can see most of these points adressed.Best regardsEDIT: BTW, when you want to quote someone just use {qs} at the beginning and {/qs} at the end of the quote. Except you replace the "{""}" with "[""]" get it?[This message has been edited by Yaro, 01-26-2004]

Sure... I'll go ahead and break down your post and point you tword relevant links. Then if you have any further questions you could post them here for discussion.Cool?Check back here in a few minutes.

First off, why is this such a far fetched assumption when there is nothing in the universe to indicate that things HAVENT worked allong the same rules?And if indeed such an atmosphere existed 5000 years ago, wouldn't it have left evidence of it's presence? Better yet, wouldn't it have been subject to the same phisical laws?From that we follow with: If the atmosphere was full of water varpor as the YECs propose, that is enugh vapor to inundate the whole world, the atmosphere would create an incredible amount of pressure, not to mention an incredible amount of heat. That is what the above response means.So much watter in the atmosphere would have cooked the surface of the earth under it's intense presure.A relevant threads can be found here:http://EvC Forum: Pre-flood physics?
http://EvC Forum: The Flood- one explanation
http://EvC Forum: Question about this so called World Wide Flood.a very good one:http://EvC Forum: Is the Global Flood Feasible? Discussion Q&AYou can turn up many more by simply using the forum search feture and typing in 'vapor canopy' What do nostrils have to do with anything? Blue whale nostrils are bearly a few inches wide. Elephant nostrils are about as big as my thumb. Besides, nostrils don't fosilize and from what I can see, most dinosaurs have rather large nasal cavities.I havent heard this silly argument before. So no threads for you here This is in support of that hyperbaric chanber hypothesis?http://EvC Forum: Dinosaurs explained biblicallyAgain, see the threads above. This is an idea perpetuated by Carl Bough, if you would like some interesting info on him, and his crack science, check these sites out:http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/degrees.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/whatbau.htmlYou should really explore each link in this page about him:Account Suspended The question is, where is this ice canopy, and where is the evidence for it? The amount of water that it would take to flood the world is astronomical. That amount of watter in the atmosphere at any given time, would increase the pressure to an unheard of degree, and cook everything in the planet!Read the above links on the great flood for more insight on this. Also, you may want to look into these:CH310: Vapor canopy's effect on climate
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/canopy.html
CH401: Vapor canopy Kend Hovind is a fraud.Account Suspended This was also delt with on these forums. Forgot were it was tho. Anyone remember? Messenja posted those horned skulls etc.?That's the first batch. I will do more latter. Feel free to answer these if you can. I have some other things I need to do.bbl.Have fun.

First off, please learn to use the quote feture. What you do is, at the beginning of a quote type {qs} except with square braces. At the end of the quote, you write {/qs}, again replacing the curly braces with square ones. Ok, now on to your post. On the contrary, we have plenty of good scientific evidence which paints a clear picture of the various environmental conditions the earth has gone thrugh over the millenia. Huh? I have seen chunks of modern amber with air bubbles in them. Why does this necisseraly indicate different atmospheric pressure? It just means at some point during the ambers formation some air got trapped in it.Perhapse if you could support this statement with a valid scientific argument we can discuss it further. As of now I see no reason this should indicate the kinds of pressures we are talking about. The amount of watter required exists no where on earth, wheather you put it under the ground, or above the ground. It is just not on this plannet. Ever ask yourself where that watter went?I don't think you realize the amount of watter required, it is an amount almost twice the oceans. There is no way that amount of watter can go unacounted for, it had to go somewhere. Can you please provide a refrence for this Palm tree find. If perhapse you can come up with an article from a peer review jurnal, or any other relevant scientific source, we could discuss this at length. As of now it proves nothing.Even if such a palm tree existed how does it prove an ice canopy? You are saying 'growing' do you mean today? As I understand humans are actually getting shorter.Or do you mean back in the high pressure days Well, find me the evidence for giants and I'll be a happy man Didn't you read any of the links I provided? I covered this. Read the Carl Baugh page since he is the main perveior of this nonsense. I dunno! Wow it's eerie isn't it! The creepy part is... how come they are still alive? And well suited to their current climet?Do you have any proof that redwoods, or other large trees, CANT grow in our current climet? I can think of a few, rainforest Trees, Those giant cactuses, bailbob trees, desert palms, etc. Lots of big trees, regular atmosphere. Ya, it's calld an avalanche. This is an oooold one. Again, can you provide a reference? Then where did the watter come from, and where did the watter go?It had to evaporate, by definition it couldn't just soak into the ground. The world was inundated after all.Where is the water? Again, the quantaty of water required simply does not exist on this earth. Sorry, it's not real. Oh my lord. You didn't bother following any of my links did you? This has been covered so many times. We have heard the hyper-plate tektoniks thing, that would be impossible!Do you know what happens when plates move the slightest of centameters... earthquakes, tidal waves, volcanoes!Thats only a few fractions of an inch. The last big earthquake in california saw the san andreas fault skip like an inch and a half. To actualy have tektonoc plates slaming into each other at such an accelerated rate would cause unspeakable havoc.Have you ever heard of krakatoa? It was a small island with a very large volcano. The island exploded.http://volcano.und.nodak.edu/...s/grp7/asia/question879.htmlTidal waves and tremors were felt around the world. The sound was said to reach as far as europe.Now, if the plates were speeding about the glope like race cars, crashing into each other and raising Evarest in a matter of years. We are talking about an incredably massive, literaly earth shattering, calamity! My friend, belive me, the man is worthless. Creation scientists wont touch him. He has been proven a lier and his theories are full of holes. Go to AIG, a creationist site, read what they have to say about hovind.Im not name calling, Im just calling it as it is. Hovind is a disgrace with nothing worth-while to contribute to this debate. Sure, I added it up top.To make the debate more palatable, how about you pick one issue to talk about. We will discuss it at length.Also, please go back to my other post and read the links I provided. I worked hard on those.Thank you.[This message has been edited by Yaro, 01-27-2004]