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Nighttrain
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Message 31 of 83 (195571)
03-30-2005 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by joshua221
03-30-2005 8:30 PM


Re: Final point via irrefutable mikes words of discerning brilliance
This isn't survivor, plz don't turn it into survival of the fittest. lol
Wouldn`t know, I never watch soapies. Lol.

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RAZD
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Message 32 of 83 (195585)
03-30-2005 10:42 PM


I am surprised.
I hang out on another board where there are {{gasp}} no monitors at all. anarchy 'reins'... or trickles anyway. point is there are several posters on that board that are worse than buz and it doesn't stop the board from functioning.
the trolls are a different matter.

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Firebird
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Message 33 of 83 (195595)
03-30-2005 11:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Admin
03-30-2005 1:10 PM


It does seem hard
How very hard it is to be a creationist!
You must win the arguments (or at least not be seen to lose!) or you could be undermining the faith of readers and lurkers. Yet you must take on skilled debators and people with great subject matter expertise.
As well as taking this on, Buzsaw has been courteous and sometimes generous. It is easy to understansd why he felt that Creationists were not given a level playing field.
I don't disagree with the decision, but it will put more pressure on some of the remaining creationists. I'll miss Buz. And his buzzwords!

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nator
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Message 34 of 83 (195609)
03-31-2005 12:28 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Parasomnium
03-30-2005 4:25 PM


Re: This was not my intention.
quote:
You can either try to work your way through Brad's spaghetti or you can just ignore him altogether.
Likewise, you can either delve into the darkest recesses of Buzsaw's irrational thinking, or you can ignore him as well.
You can't get mad at Brad because he can't help it, with his special brand of brilliance.
Buz certainly can help it but chooses to remain willfully ignorant.
So we get mad at him.

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CK
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Message 35 of 83 (195613)
03-31-2005 12:52 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by mike the wiz
03-30-2005 7:55 PM


Re: Final point via irrefutable mikes words of discerning brilliance
double post.
This message has been edited by General Krull, 31-Mar-2005 12:53 AM

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CK
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Message 36 of 83 (195614)
03-31-2005 12:53 AM
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03-30-2005 7:55 PM


Re: Final point via irrefutable mikes words of discerning brilliance
Not at all - I take it in the spirit it's intended. You took enough of a hammering on that thread as it was.

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Parasomnium
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Message 37 of 83 (195638)
03-31-2005 3:14 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by nator
03-31-2005 12:28 AM


Re: This was not my intention.
Schrafinator writes:
You can't get mad at Brad because he can't help it, with his special brand of brilliance.
I've seen some very lucid writing from Brad, so I wouldn't say he can't help it. He says himself he uses "the language of future science". I take that as a choice he makes to write that way. At times it may become irritating, if not maddening, when you know that he can also write in plain English.
Also, I'm not convinced of his brilliance. He's bright, no doubt, but brilliant? I'm not sure.
Schrafinator writes:
Buz certainly can help it but chooses to remain willfully ignorant.
I agree with you that there is a lot of unwillingness in Buz to let go of his irrational beliefs, in spite of the very clear explanations he is presented with on this board. But I think that even the most eloquent writers here sometimes fail to see how a simple word, the meaning of which they take for granted without a moment's thought, can easily be mistaken to have a slightly different meaning, resulting in complete misunderstanding on both sides as to why the other cannot comprehend the most basic, simple concepts.
Believing that this is what happened in the latest discussion with Buz, I can no longer be mad at him, at least not this time.
Afterthought: it is possible that Buz is in fact just playing inncocent and purposely misinterprets our words. I am willing, though, to give him the benefit of the doubt.

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Nighttrain
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Message 38 of 83 (195646)
03-31-2005 3:57 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by Parasomnium
03-31-2005 3:14 AM


Re: This was not my intention.
Surely you`ve learnt by now, Para, that all diehard creos fight dirty when the chips are down. Buz just never took the last step of damning us to hell for eternity.

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Parasomnium
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Message 39 of 83 (195647)
03-31-2005 4:04 AM
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03-31-2005 3:57 AM


Re: This was not my intention.
Nighttrain writes:
Buz just never took the last step of damning us to hell for eternity.
I'll bet he's done that by now.

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Mammuthus
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Message 40 of 83 (195652)
03-31-2005 4:26 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Quetzal
03-30-2005 8:35 PM


Hi Q,
Great to see you posting again!
I would usually take the same view as you and ask that buz be re-instated. I almost never interacted with buz so don't have a particularly strong feeling about the specific matter....but, the removal of John Davison for example was worthwhile. He was totally disruptive with no signs of being able to change and contaminated multiple threads with pure nonsense. Willowtree was not much different. I would also agree that people like Syamsu should be banned if one takes buzsaw as the metric though from time to time, he can carry on a reasonably civil conversation i.e. with holmes....but here is the key problem. There is as holmes pointed out, a bias. Why is buzsaw being banned and on the evo side, for example, contracycle can still post? At least you can say buz was a good foil...in contracycles case what are his posts good for? There have been other fairly vitriolic creos and evos who have not been suspended or banned..even after extensive stints here at EvC.
I can see how the removal of those particularly uniwilling to follow forum rules benefits the forum in general. But it has to be more even handed and be enforced on both sides equally whichever way it goes. Either warn, suspend, and then ban those who misbehave (in that order) on both the evo and creo side or don't ban anyone.

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Phat
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Message 41 of 83 (195657)
03-31-2005 5:47 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Percy
03-30-2005 9:45 PM


Eulogy for Buzz
What amazes me is why conservatives are ridiculed for attempting to preserve Schavio while many liberals want to save Buzz!
Its not like we are booting him on the street! Its simply that he sufficiently irritated and impeded the flow of ideas> I am sure that Buzz can e-mail Percy and that Buzz and only Buzz can change Percys mind. This is Percys boat and he is the Captain. Sometimes, Captains have to make tough decisions.
If I ever got booted, I would only ask that everyone remember me for the few good things that I said.
Buzz: God Bless you. Thanks for being one of the EvC contributers.
Do us all one favor and don't badmouth EvC...because we all are EvC and we respect you and care for you even if the Boss fired you!

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Phat
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Message 42 of 83 (195658)
03-31-2005 5:52 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by Mammuthus
03-31-2005 4:26 AM


Contracycle and Buzz
In my mind, the only difference in style betwen contra and Buzz( as opposed to ideology) Is that contra will rant a bit and then shut up and forget about it whereas Buzz never shuts up and by doing so impedes the flow of ideas. The guideline is that if you are shouted down, shut up and move on. Dont continue to whine and carry on...
Learn when to hold em and when to fold em....

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mike the wiz
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Message 43 of 83 (195659)
03-31-2005 6:00 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by Phat
03-31-2005 5:47 AM


Re: Eulogy for Buzz
Yep, good luck Buz and God bless.
Hey Phatz, it's just the permanent suspension that confuses me. If he was not let back in for six months, then I think that would be a harsh and severe penalty. Or even a year, which is quite a long time. But permanent? *huh*
I suppose this strikes me as the equivalent of getting life in prison for stealing a potato.

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Mammuthus
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Message 44 of 83 (195661)
03-31-2005 6:15 AM
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03-31-2005 5:52 AM


Re: Contracycle and Buzz
It helps that you as a religious moderator also agree with the basis of Percy's decision. It argues against a systemic bias. On the other hand, the number of people who don't fold when they should are relatively rare so I guess this is not such a huge problem in any case.

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PaulK
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Message 45 of 83 (195663)
03-31-2005 6:34 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by Phat
03-31-2005 5:47 AM


Re: Eulogy for Buzz
Without going into the immorality of the conservative attempts to "save" Terri Schiavo there is one important difference.
It is impossible that Terri Schiavo will recover. Impossible.
While Buz is certainly set in his ways his case is not THAT hopeless. Even if in Admin's judgement he will not improve to the extent where he is a net asset to this forum it cannot be said to be an impossibility. Both judgements (the value of Buz's presence and the chance of improvement) are more subjective than the clear medical evidence in the Schiavo case. And it is entirely in line with "liberal" views to give the benefit of the doubt to the one who will suffer the consequences of a decision.

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