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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1531 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Hi Jerry, lets do a thought experiment: Look at you hand. What is it composed of? Skin,arteries,viens, nerves, bone, connective tissue. What is that stuff made of? Protiens,cells,minerals,water. And take that concept further what are those things composed of? chemical elements Hydrogen,Carbon,Nitrogen, .....and what are those composed of?
arrangements of atoms. and what are atoms composed of? proton,electron,nucleus. And what are those things composed of? subatomic particles, quarks, mesons,bosons,leptons etc..and what are those composed of? Electromagnetic wave packets? Energy? and what is that composed of? can you see it? smell it? taste it? where did it come from? How is it manifested into reality? Whether you believe it comes from God or nature what difference does it make? The simple fact remains that the universe exist. Some believe it was a creator some believe it is a quantum fluctuation that manifested a tremendous amount of energy and caused the universe to begin to unfold. Just because man at this time can not say HOW or why the event took place does not mean it was not God or that it WAS God. If you want to believe it was God then that is groovy, but realize many simply do not attribute this phenomenon to a diety. Many Scientific types do not believe in the supernatural. Something did come from something, but just what exactly fills that gap science does not pretend to know as of yet..that they leave to religion to speculate. *edit typo. This message has been edited by 1.61803, 06-08-2004 09:50 AM This message has been edited by 1.61803, 06-08-2004 10:55 AM "One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Looking at the world around us it apears that everything we see is expanding.
Still together? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Jason Inactive Member |
The diameter of a black hole is not defined by the amount of matter inside. No. A black hole is a singularity with no dimensions. The timespace around a black hole thins out and puckers up and away from the singularity. If you cut any matter input to the black hole, it shrinks and vanishes like the swirl in your bathing water.
Different black holes are not different singularities, but all the same singularity. In fact one could travel through black holes if he could isolate himself from the timespace pulls around him in a capsule and if he could manipulate the relocation probabilities within a coordinate system. This coordinate system can be known space itself and the manipulation technique can be imagination. The capsule itself is pulled into a black hole and pops out from annother for a moment. Then engage drives and get away from it, before it pulls the capsule back.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1531 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Is that you Mr. Hawking? * edit add: Cuz if not I think you are talking out of the other side of your own blackhole. ROTFL
This message has been edited by 1.61803, 06-08-2004 03:48 PM "One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche
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Jason Inactive Member |
What do you mean? Do you liek my idea? Is Mr. Hawking really around here from time to time?
This message has been edited by Jason, 06-08-2004 05:01 PM This message has been edited by Jason, 06-08-2004 05:02 PM
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Loudmouth Inactive Member |
quote: Indeed. It is the gravitational (or timespace if you want) difference between the part of your body closest to the black hole and the part of your body farthest away from the black hole. An earth equivent would be wrapping your feet with 50 tons of steel and strapping your arms to an I-beam 20 feet in the air. I always have to explain this to people who think black hole travel is possible with our current technology.
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Eta_Carinae Member (Idle past 4402 days) Posts: 547 From: US Joined: |
jerry writes:
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Perdition Member (Idle past 3265 days) Posts: 1593 From: Wisconsin Joined: |
The basic building blocks of all things are energy packets. The description of these energy packets is called Quantum Physics. Using Einstein's famous E=MC^2, you are able to go from matter to energy and back again, so the creation of all the matter in the Universe could have (and probably did) come from a tremendous out-pouring of energy. The cause of this energy is unknown right now, however there are many good theories proposed about it.
As for things coming from nothing, it happens all the time. These particles are called Virtual Particles. They randomly appear in open space caused by quantum fluctuations, but almost as rapidly disappear again. This virtual particle creation seems to be just a strange property of space/vaccuum itself. It is poorly understood right now, but it hadn't even been hypothesized, much less observed, until very recently. -edit: corrected spelling errors This message has been edited by Perdition, 06-08-2004 11:28 PM "Of course...we all create god in our own image" - Willard Decker, Star Trek: The Motion Picture
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1371 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Can someone tell me where this singularity was located Obviously, it was located here. Think about it for a minute. my head! i suppose another acceptable answer would have been "the current center from which everything is receeding" because that would technically have been the same place.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1371 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
The capsule itself is pulled into a black hole and pops out from annother for a moment. Then engage drives and get away from it, before it pulls the capsule back. call me when you build that anti-matter drive your astronaut would need to "isolate himself from the timespace pulls around him in a capsule" because until then, the gravitational "spaghettification" effect even APPROACHING the roche limit is enough to rip most anything apart. not to mention that you seem to operating on the assumption that blackholes GO somewhere. all evidence points to the fact that only seem to be able to emit xrays, and barely at that. matter kind of... stays there and collapses to an infinite point. entering one, would, well, suck. This message has been edited by Arachnophilia, 06-09-2004 05:16 AM
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Jason Inactive Member |
Actually the description was misleading. You do not travel THROUGH the black hole, because there is nothing like that, it's just the singularity. You utilise the effects of being close to the singularity. It thins out timespace spacetime and allows for imagination driven relocation in annother galaxy. under lab-circumstances singularity can be used as a beamfield to annother. Maybe it would be good to control thoughts by a machine, that makes you imaginate the correct destination, dustin.
The capsule itself is built like the silver shoes of alice in ozland. It can bring you everywhere, but has a tendencie to bring you home, where you really desire to be. this is what is elsewhere called inspiration. You believe you have a will separated from all others, but err. While now this is clear, there is still an important truth to mention: reloction is not only bound to space and further not only bound to time and space. It's also bound to reality. Meaning, any reality that can be, can be the destination. Dustin may arrive and coclude: "I've been here before", but he means a reality not just a place and/or time. Any reality can be and where you get is much based on the chances to be in the desired reality. We can derive from qauntum theory and the tunneleffect that if one is poor, the most secure way to be rich or to become rich, is to be maximum unsure about it. So then the chances to get as far to be rich or to become rich are greatest. Well done, Dustin. This message has been edited by Jason, 06-09-2004 06:24 AM
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Jerry Inactive Member |
1,61803
Is energy totally devoid of any mass? Why is energy energy? Is it caused by interaction of more than 1 substance? ---------- And back to where the sigularity was located. To answer my own question, it was not located "here" as Crashfrog put it, it wasn't located anywhere, because acording to science nothing existed before the big bang. There was no space for it to be located in so it created it's own space from nothing so it could created itself. And beyond the space that this universe occupies now there is more of this undescribable nothing. If this is rational I think somehow I made a wrong turn somewhere and ended up on the wrong planet. But I keep forgetting that Earth scientist say this is the way it is so it must be true no matter how illogical it sounds.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1494 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
It thins out timespace spacetime and allows for imagination driven relocation in annother galaxy. And your basis for these assertions is what, exactly?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1494 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
it was not located "here" as Crashfrog put it No, it was located here. And there, too. You didn't think about my answer at all, did you? Pretend you have a rewind-time machine. Go to an arbitrary point in the universe. Rewind time far enough and you'll discover you're at the location of the big bang. Back in the present. Go to any other arbitrary point and repeat. You'll discover that you're at the location of the big bang. Rinse and repeat. No matter where you go in the universe, if you go back in time far enough, you wind up at the exact location of the big bang without actually moving anywhere. This is because the big bang is the origin of all points in space. When you say "where was the big bang?" what you're asking is "where is the universe?" Well, obviously, the universe is here.
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Jason Inactive Member |
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