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nator Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Hi there petvet,
I have some expertise in equine nutrition, so I was wondering if you have considered how one would feed horses on the ark. Do you have any idea much hay and fresh water would need to be stored aboard the ark just to sustain one horse?
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nator Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Hello Pet Vet,
Thanks for your reply. You wrote:
quote: Probably? How do you know? You sent me to that AIG page for "figures" but there are none regarding my specific question. I'll ask again. Do you know the food and water requirements needed to sustain just one horse for a year?
quote: Horses are clean, so it would actually have been 7 horses, but we can do that math later. We can stick with one for now.
quote: Well, your AiG website describes a vessel with a lot of room, but until we actually do the calculations using the actual figures, we don't know if it would have been enough room or not. The AiG page certainly doesn't do that. And By the way, One of the books the AiG page references as a source is Woodmorappe's Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study, and I should let you know that it is quite laughable. I own a copy and some of the errors and assumptions he makes are truly astonighing. But, moving on... I dug up a four year old thread called Animals on the Ark in which we discussed the specifics of this very issue. I'd like to refer you to Message 15 of that thread. In it, I provide some actual numbers. I've cut n pasted below for you:
Let's assume that there were only two horses on the Ark.
Let us also assume that they were of average size and were relatively easy keepers. Let us ignore the fact that keeping a horse standing still in a small stall for a year would be quite dangerous to it's health, as they need to move around to keep their guts working properly. Let us also ignore the muscle atrophy and depression and boredome which would also have detrimental effects. Let us also assume that we would not feed these horses grain, because anyone who feeds horses knows that confining a horse and feeding it lots of grain (high-powered) food is a prescription for life-threatening health problems (colic) and excitability and unruliness. Letting the horse roam on several acres (at least) of land and feeding it hay and grass (low-powered) food generally results in a much more sane, tractable, placid horse. Now that we have determined that Noah would need to take on a lot of hay to feed these horses, let's see if we can figure out how much these two horses would need. Well, if we are talking about a sedentary horse, and just wanting to get it to survive, not necessarily keeping it in good weight, I estimate, very conservatively, that you could get away with feeding the horses 15 pounds of hay a day, each. A bale of hay is something like 30 pounds. This means that Noah, just to feed two horses and no other herbivores on the Ark, would need nearly 11,000 pounds of hay for 365 days. Of course, this doesn't even account for the fresh water that would have to be stowed on board, as nobody could drink sea water and they couldn't collect enough rain in 40 days and 40 nights to last them the other 325 days. Horses drink about 6-10 gallons of water a day, so this makes the two horses' minimum fresh water requirements for the year at 4,380 gallons.
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nator Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Yup, and back in the day, a member named John Paul referenced that very book and mentioned the pelleted alfalfa in a discussion with me. My reply is here This is part of what I wrote:
OK. Let me get this straight. You are really wanting me to believe that Noah had PELLETED HAY AND HORSE FEED? You have got to be completely crazy if you are asking me to believe such a thing. Oh, and what the heck is "doubly-compressed hay", and how did Noah compress it? Did they drive down to the feed store in their Ford pickup to buy it in 100 pound bags, or did they have the feed store deliver it to the Ark biulding site on their delivery flatbed? Do you think they would have chosen a 9% protein or a 12% protein? Do you think they went for the Purina, or did they choose Omolene, or another brand? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!! I miss John Paul.
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nator Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Well, the Bible describes bats as birds, so wouldn't bats be in the bird "kind"? I mean, doesn't that mean that there would only have to be a single "kind" of bird, excluding bats, on the ark?
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nator Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
ah, of course. My mistake.
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nator Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Are "kinds" based upon genetic relatedness?
If so, how so? If not, is there a method or system by which we can determine one "kind" from another? For example,is my housecat and a Bengal tiger the same "kind"? Are Chimpanzees and humans the same "kind"?
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nator Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Well sure. If the Creationists simply wanted to say that they believe that the Flood happened and Noah's Ark had all the animals in it, and God magicked it all to turn out OK, etc. etc., and that they realize that there is no evidence that would compell anyone who didn't already believe the story to believe it, then that would be perfectly OK with us. What they are doing, however, is trying to show how it could have really happened, that science supports their claims, and therefore the Bible is scientifically legitimized as the literal historical truth. Edited by AdminJar, : No reason given.
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