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dattaswami 
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Message 31 of 120 (283809)
02-04-2006 2:09 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Yaro
02-04-2006 1:43 AM


Re: less monologue, more dialogue
Before proceeding to the identifying true knowledge of God, you must also know the purpose of your attraction towards an object. You love your child, and there is no purpose in it. You also love a doctor when you are ill. But that love is not real. It is not love at all. It is only artificial apparent love exhibited for a purpose. You want the doctor to help you. Therefore, true love is that when there is no purpose in it. False love is that in which purpose is present. Generally almost all the people love God because God is omni-potent. He has miraculous powers to do anything, which is impossible for any body on this earth. When a problem comes and when one fails to solve it by all the means existing in this world, one starts loving God to solve that unique problem. Therefore, you love the position or power of God and not the God. A poet shows lot of love and appreciation on a king in his spontaneous poetry because the poet loves the power and the wealth of the king. He expects the king to donate some land or to give him some money after being pleased with his poems. The poet does not love the person who is the king.
He loves the king only. Will he write the same poems if the king looses his kingdom and becomes a beggar? In his poetry the poet praised that the king is very beautiful with sweet voice and infinite wisdom. These qualities still remain with the king even if he has become the beggar. But the poet does not praise the same qualities of that beggar because the beggar cannot donate anything to him. The post of the king and the kingdom are separable characteristics, whereas the qualities are inseparable characteristics. You can easily identify the person by these inseparable characteristics and if your love on Him is real, you will love him whether he is a king or a beggar.

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dattaswami 
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Message 32 of 120 (283810)
02-04-2006 2:13 AM


Re to yaro;
Yaro;
Mostly people love Lord for their desires to be fulfilled. If something goes wrong or if things are out of control then we rush to lord and start prayers etc. This devotion is like a prostitute loving her customer. If one really loves Lord without any desire, then only Lord will be pleased. When a beggar approaches us, we generally offer him whatever is least useful to us. But, when a relative comes to our house, we provide him with good food, facilities and even ask him to stay for some more time. Why is the difference in our approach? Beggar comes to us for what we give. He is not having any love on us. Whereas a relative has not come for our food and facilities, he has come to see us. This shows the love.
So, our approach to Lord should be with love and affection as relative but not like beggar, who approaches us only for satisfying the desires. We should not worship lord only to satisfy our desire. Prayers by words, meditation by mind and intelligence in spiritual discussions form a preliminary level of worship. The devotee should search for a Satguru or Lord in human form (like Jesus, Krishna and Prophet Mohammed) to learn the divine knowledge. After gaining the divine knowledge from the Lord in human form, at His directive only he should participate in His service in the mission.
His mission is to uplift the human beings by preaching the divine knowledge. Service consists of donating money and physically participating in His mission of divine knowledge propagation. Such real service is the only proof of our real love towards Lord. We are serving our family by spending hard earned money for them and also serving physically. Where as when we come to Lord, we express our love by prayers, meditation and spiritual discussions only, which are given freely by Lord to everybody.
Hence God is not even comparable to family members but in prayers we project Him on top.

At Thy Lotus Feet
Anil Antony
Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

AdminPhat
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Message 33 of 120 (283819)
02-04-2006 3:29 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by dattaswami
02-04-2006 12:50 AM


Re: Slow down...
Yaro writes:
Dude,
Do you notice that we ask you like a 1 or 2 sentance question, then you reply with like an encyclopedia?
No one is gonna slog thrugh all that stuff. I patiently went thrugh one or two, but enugh already!
Try and slow down and introduce one point at a time.
Please.
Start by formulating a topic NO MORE than 3 sentances long. If you can do that, then we can progress... otherwise... well... no one will understand (or want to understand) what you are on about.
I agree with Yaro....and...speaking as an administrator, I want you to either make short replies without long rambling posts such as you have had OR I am gonna shut you down!
Anyone who wants to know your religion/philosophy can click your link.
We want to know YOU and not your religion or philosophy just yet.


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    dattaswami 
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    Message 34 of 120 (283827)
    02-04-2006 6:27 AM
    Reply to: Message 33 by AdminPhat
    02-04-2006 3:29 AM


    Re: Slow down...
    AdminPhat;
    I do not belong to any particular religion. I belong equally to all religions. Infact I am not religious but spiritual.
    Religion is like a medium of instruction and spirituality is the curriculum. One can get doctorate degree through any medium and a doctorate will be respected by all over the world equally. Thus we should pursue to reach higher levels in spirituality in our own religion. Nobody need not change his religion. Change of religion is moving horizontally and moving to higher classes in spiritual curriculum is moving vertically, which is only called growth. Spirituality is beyond religion. Infact any true divine preacher never confined to any one particular religion, caste, creed etc, because all require God.

    At Thy Lotus Feet
    Anil Antony
    Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
    Universal Spirituality for World Peace
    antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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    dattaswami 
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    Message 35 of 120 (283828)
    02-04-2006 6:32 AM
    Reply to: Message 33 by AdminPhat
    02-04-2006 3:29 AM


    Re: Slow down...
    H. H. Shri Datta Swami is a complete incarnation of the Lord (Pari Purna Avatara). He has come to this world to preach Divine Knowledge to mankind. In the past incarnations of the Lord, this wonderful Divine Knowledge was not revealed to its fullest extent. Today, more than ever, there is a real need for this wonderful Divine Knowledge. The situation is rather peculiar. People are not ignorant about the true knowledge. They are highly intelligent. Their minds have been sharpened by the advancement in science and technology. They know the truth but they do not like it. They want to reach the true goal by the false and convenient path. For this purpose they have twisted the meaning of the scriptures. Humanity stands divided by a number of religions and religious sects. Therefore there is a dire need at present, for Lord Datta Himself to come down and reveal the true knowledge to the wonderful people. He has come in the form of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami to give this Divine and special knowledge to us.

    At Thy Lotus Feet
    Anil Antony
    Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
    Universal Spirituality for World Peace
    antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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    Message 36 of 120 (283834)
    02-04-2006 8:37 AM
    Reply to: Message 1 by dattaswami
    02-01-2006 12:09 PM


    God Is Not Impartial
    quote:
    Therefore any human being with an iota of commonsense has to agree that there is only one impartial God who created this one world and He came in different forms to different countries and preached the same path in all the languages simultaneously at one time.
    Actually each culture created their own specific God and since they did, their God is understandably partial to his creators.
    Your web site doesn't take into account the Native American beliefs, the beliefs of the tribal Africans, or the early Polynesian beliefs.
    You seem to be trying to blend, what you consider to be the primary religions of the world, into roughly one belief system. IMO, it is the same trick the early Catholics used to overtake the pagan religions and the early missionaries use to weaken the Native American and Polynesian beliefs.
    Although you use a lot of words, you haven't presented any substance to show that one impartial God spoke to various cultures differently.

    There are two ways of spreading light: to be the candle or the mirror that reflects it. -Edith Wharton

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    Funkaloyd
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    Message 37 of 120 (283836)
    02-04-2006 8:50 AM
    Reply to: Message 35 by dattaswami
    02-04-2006 6:32 AM


    Re: Slow down...
    What's your relationship to Datta Swami?

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    dattaswami 
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    Message 38 of 120 (283851)
    02-04-2006 10:17 AM
    Reply to: Message 36 by purpledawn
    02-04-2006 8:37 AM


    Re: God Is Not Impartial
    purpledawn;
    I will site for you one discourse from His Holinesss Sri Datta Swami, on the topic of concept of Human incarnation, in various religions.
    We believe in God coming in every human generation for preaching the true divine knowledge. If He is coming only once then He will become partial, but God is impartial, all the scriptures of the world came from one God only. The difference in sctriptures is due to the misinterpretaion or due to inclusion or deletion by any vested interest, that is God is coming in every human generation to give the correct interpretation of the scriptures to show their unity.
    --------------------------------------------------
    The spiritual knowledge should come directly from the Lord. If He sends His messenger, the messenger is not capable of delivering all the points as told by the Lord and is also incapable of explaining in excellent manner as explained by the Lord. Therefore, the knowledge delivered by the messenger is not as excellent as delivered by the Lord directly. This is the main reason for the Lord to enter the human body to preach the divine knowledge. But if the Lord in human body declares that He is the Lord directly speaking, people become jealous because they think the human incarnation as human being only, since they always see the external body only. They misunderstand that the human being is claiming himself as God.
    They cannot tolerate this due to their inherent jealousy and egoism towards the co-human beings. To solve this problem of majority of the people, the human incarnation has to say that He is only the messenger of God. Prophet Mohammad was really the human incarnation. But he never claimed himself as God due to this problem of majority. He said that He was only the messenger of God and that Q'ran was massage of God. Therefore, this Holy Scripture belongs to the angle of majority. The devotees who can realise the human incarnation are always very few only. To this minority the prophet can personally say that he is God or at least he is son of God. The message to minority need not be recorded, which can be orally delivered in person. Thus, Q'ran is a scripture for the majority. On the other hand Gita was the scripture of extreme minority, since Gita was told to Arjuna only.
    In Gita, Krishna told that He is the Lord. Here you must realize that the Lord is speaking through the human body of Krishna. In between the Q'ran and Gita lies Bible. Jesus told that He is the messenger of the God, which is the message for the majority. He also told that He is God, which is the message for extreme minority. In between lies the minority for which He said that He is Son of God. Thus, Bible is the message covering all the three phases of public, which are majority, minority and extreme minority. As we pass from one end to the other end in the above order, the egoism and jealousy reduce from 100 to 50 to 0.
    For majority dualism (Dvaita), for minority (Visista Advaita) and for extreme minority monism (Advaita) are preached by the human incarnation. Thus, in Christianity and Hinduism you can find all the three concepts. But in Islam you can find only Dvaita. You should not mistake that Islam is incomplete due to absence of the other two concepts. The merit in Islam is that no human being can claim himself as God and thus there is no danger of false human incarnation. But in Hinduism and Christianity there is always danger of fraud human incarnations. Again you should not criticize Hinduism and Christianity due to this danger. Assuming the possibility of danger of accident, will you avoid journey by bus or train or aeroplane? Thus, the positive and negative angles must be understood according to the context. However, in Christianity also, the danger is avoided because the Christians do not accept any other human incarnation as God except Jesus. Hinduism accepts every human incarnation as God. Thus, you can pass from Islam to Christianity to Hinduism.
    There is no danger in Islam and Christianity. In Islam no human incarnation is accepted. This is extremity to avoid the danger. In Christianity Jesus was accepted as human incarnation but no other human incarnation was accepted to avoid the danger of exploitation of fraud human incarnations. Thus, in Islam the concept was not admitted. In Christianity the concept was admitted but was limited to Jesus only to avoid the danger. In Christianity the statement “Jesus will come again” completes the concept because it indicates that the human incarnation is again possible. Thus, the concept is completed in Bible. But by believing that Jesus comes only at the end of this creation, all the other human incarnations till the end are rejected.
    Thus, the concept is completed in theory but not completed in practical. In Hinduism the concept is completed in theory as well as in practical. Gita says that Krishna will come again and again whenever it is necessary (Yadayadahi..). This means that the human incarnation will come again and again in several places and in several religions in even one human generation, because there is necessity for such facility. Thus, in Hinduism the concept is completed in theory and practical, but the danger is always full.
    Thus, Hinduism recognises several human incarnations of Lord Datta (Krishna) as in the case of Sri Pada Vallabha, Sri Narasimha Saraswati, Sri Akkalkota Maharaj, Sri Sai Baba, etc. Hinduism recognises Buddha also as the human incarnation. Broad minded Hinduism recognises even Jesus, Mohammad, Mahaveer etc., also as human incarnations born in different religions. The universal spirituality is such broad minded Hinduism which is the broad minded Christianity, the broad minded Islam, the broad minded Buddhism and broad minded science. The Universal Spirituality contradicts and is prepared to argue with all religions limited with conservatism, provided these religions are prepared to accept the truth with open mind. The science with conservatism is atheism. When you realize all the three religions, namely Hinduism, Christianity and Islam, you will achieve the total concept, which is the universal spirituality. All the religions are different angles of the same central concept. You must observe the centre through all the angles from all the sides. Then only you can realise the total comprehensive central concept. Now you must see through the angles of Buddhism and science also.
    Buddhism speaks about the God present in the human incarnation by keeping silent about God. Silence means that God is beyond words and imagination. It does not indicate the absence of God. Buddhism is misunderstood as atheism. The time wheel (Kala Chakra) and the revolving bright wheel (Sudarsana Chakra) indicate that the time is constantly moving and that you will meet the death certainly one day or other. It indicates that you should hurry in detaching yourself from the world and that you should attach to the Lord as early possible.

    At Thy Lotus Feet
    Anil Antony
    Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
    Universal Spirituality for World Peace
    antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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    dattaswami 
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    Message 39 of 120 (283852)
    02-04-2006 10:18 AM
    Reply to: Message 37 by Funkaloyd
    02-04-2006 8:50 AM


    Re: Slow down...
    Funkaloyd;
    I am a disciple of His Holiness Sri Datta Swami.

    At Thy Lotus Feet
    Anil Antony
    Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
    Universal Spirituality for World Peace
    antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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    Phat
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    Message 40 of 120 (283853)
    02-04-2006 10:24 AM
    Reply to: Message 39 by dattaswami
    02-04-2006 10:18 AM


    Winding Down
    How did you meet the Swami? Tell us, (briefly!) how you grew up and what you were taught about spirituality and religion as a youth.

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    dattaswami 
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    Message 41 of 120 (283861)
    02-04-2006 10:55 AM
    Reply to: Message 40 by Phat
    02-04-2006 10:24 AM


    Re: Winding Down
    Phat;
    I am a christain and born and brought up with christian belief, and from child hood onwards i used to go to church regularly. When i grew up i was attracted to retreats by christian fathers where bible was explained along with testimonies etc. But i never felt satisfied because no body there could give a satisfactory answer to many of my enquires, and i felt that poeple are believing out of emotion only, not by proper logic analysis.
    Fortuntely, about 2 years ago i met my Satguru His Holiness Sri Datta Swami. I continously went through His discourse in many topic and discussed with Him, and He gave me logical convincing answers to all my queries, and if one analyse with ones own brain, then we will under stand the truth behind His preachings. He stresses more on the practical aspects of spirituality, like participating in the mission of divine knowledge propagation. I believe Him as the incarnation of God come to preach the true divine knowledge to all the people in this world.

    At Thy Lotus Feet
    Anil Antony
    Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
    Universal Spirituality for World Peace
    antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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    nwr
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    Message 42 of 120 (283862)
    02-04-2006 11:01 AM
    Reply to: Message 41 by dattaswami
    02-04-2006 10:55 AM


    A discussion has broken out
    All of a sudden, a discussion seems to have broken out.
    Keep up your new style of posting. It is a big improvement over what you were doing before.

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    dattaswami 
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    Message 43 of 120 (283864)
    02-04-2006 11:08 AM
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    02-04-2006 11:01 AM


    Re: A discussion has broken out
    nwr;
    When Lord comes in Human form His main concentration in the preaching will be where people are lacking the knowledge. If one is strong in Mathematics, what is the use of teaching him mathematics? Teach the subject where he is weak. So far mostly people never identified the Lord (Ofcourse other than a handful) when He came in human form like Jesus, Krishna, Mohammed, Buddha... The reason being not aware of the knowledge required for identifying Him in addition to Jealousy & Ego. After identifying, next step is to please the Lord (because if I see president of my country will I get any benefit from him other than momentary happiness?)
    Now Shri Datta swami gave many discourses in this direction to give complete knowledge. For the first time, He included science also into religions and explaining divine knowledge scientifically to bring atheists also into the main stream of believers of Lord.

    At Thy Lotus Feet
    Anil Antony
    Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
    Universal Spirituality for World Peace
    antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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    Phat
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    Message 44 of 120 (283865)
    02-04-2006 11:08 AM
    Reply to: Message 41 by dattaswami
    02-04-2006 10:55 AM


    Re: Winding Down
    I have known a few "holy" men and many more imposters and not-so-holy ones. When I first had an impartation and an awareness from God, I strong believed (and still believe) that it was real, but after experience, prayer, and study throughout the past ten years, I conclude (so far) that God imparts the ability to love the undesireable, wisdom to understand the implausible (by human standards) that He has preordained, and patience to embrace the uncomfortable (to my flesh and lusts)
    BUT...I have never met anyone whom I would consider to be an actual incarnation of God....aside from the Holy Spirit.
    Be honest with me:
    Is there any money involved in any way with the Swami? In other words, do people support him and freely give him their money? Surely if He were an incarnation of God, he would have no need of such materialistic concepts.

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    dattaswami 
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    Message 45 of 120 (283866)
    02-04-2006 11:12 AM
    Reply to: Message 44 by Phat
    02-04-2006 11:08 AM


    Re: Winding Down
    Phat;
    Since you have asked the question regarding money i have to reply by what Sri Datta Swami told regarding that.
    Emphasis Of Karma Phala Tyaga
    The word karma in the case of a human being means the work done to earn money, which is essential for his food and offering the food to the guest. Money required for the self and his family is called ”sareera yatra’ in Gita. Money required to prepare food to offer to the guest is called ”yajna karma’. The word karma in Gita was used in these two meanings in the context of a human being (sareera yatra pichate, yajnah karma samudbhavah). Therefore the fruit of the work means only money.
    The first mantra of the first Upanishad speaks about enjoyment and sacrifice of money (kasyasvit dhanam). The mantra says that the entire creation is the wealth of the Lord and one should store the money for his minimum enjoyment and the rest should be sacrificed to the Lord who comes in the human form for His mission to uplift this world. The second mantra says that one should continuously work and earn. Vasista said that money is the root of all this worldly family bonds (Dhanamulamidam jagat). When money is absent all the family members will leave you. All the family members and relatives approach you only due to money just like the frogs are present in the tank when it is full of water.
    The ”Srichakram’ means the wheel that surrounds the money. Therefore when the sacrifice of money comes into the picture, all the fraud devotees will run away because in their hearts the attraction to the family bonds exists as solidified darkness. Only the true devotees will stand, in whose hearts the darkness is removed and the light of divine knowledge exists. The Lord came in human form and tested ”Saktuprasta’ in the sacrifice of the food, which is another form of money. In draught he could secure a little flour and he was fasting for the past ten days. He was not tested in any other way of words and mind (japa, parayana, dhyana etc.). A real devotee will stand in this root test and this is the real fire test.
    If the bond with the money is cut, all the worldly bonds are cut, since money is the root of this whole ”samsara’. The fraud devotees want to escape this test and therefore interpreted the ”karmaphala’ as the fruit of prayers, japa, parayana, dhyana etc. The eyes in this world not at all see such fruit. Therefore such fruit of work done by words and mind is unreal. There is no difficulty to sacrifice such unreal fruit. Therefore they misinterpreted the ”karmaphalatyaga’ as leaving a spoon of water in the plate after doing such work by words and mind. Some people have fooled the ignorant people by doing such works and get the ”Gurudakshina’. They are selling the unreal fruit for the real money, by promising that the fruits of their sins will be removed and results of good deeds, which were not done, will be attained.

    At Thy Lotus Feet
    Anil Antony
    Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
    Universal Spirituality for World Peace
    antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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