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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: ust wanted to say one last thing before leaving you and PaulK to carry on about how evil God is. No one has said God is evil Faith; what they have said is that the God you try to market and you claim to worship really is evil, vile and only deserves condemnation, ridicule and contempt.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
That's one of the great things about scripture Faith. It is so filled with contradictions and false information that you can support just about any position by quote mining scripture.
That does not change the fact that the God you try to market is evil and deserves nothing but ridicule as contempt. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: That's also the task where people find contradictions within scripture because we know it's God's word and therefore there aren't any. Faith, you do understand that many here have actually read the Bible and so can honestly report on what is actually written, including all of the contradiction, factual errors and failed prophecies. The fact that you know there are no errors is just another example of you being totally out of touch with reality. Now if you change that to "That's also the task where people find contradictions within scripture because we believe it's God's word and therefore there aren't any." then even though folk will know you are simply wrong they will accept that it is your belief. Edited by jar, : hear ----> here appalin spallinAnyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
quote: quote: Faith, which of those two passages is inerrant? Are two and seven the same number? Which number is correct? Edited by jar, : appalin spallinAnyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith, people are capable of actually reading what was written.
quote: quote: Are two fowls and seven fowls the same thing? Which one is inerrant Faith? AbE:
Faith writes: You're a typical Bible trasher. More Faith New Speak. Too funny Faith, I am not the one who constantly misrepresents what is written in the Bible stories. I don't trash the Bible rather I honor what was actually written. Edited by jar, : see AbE:Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: It is my opinion that many of the same people who see the Bible as limited to human expression, motive, and intention are the same people who, when asked, find the idea of a relationship with God as impossible. Is that so Phat, or do they ask how some determines there is a relationship with God?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, this is a case in point. Of a conventional God, you could say he had a reason for his actions: he warned Israel that he'd punish them if they didn't repent, Israel didn't repent, therefore he punished Israel. All you can say of Calvin's God is that he's self-consistent: he warned Israel that he'd punish them if they didn't repent, he decided that they wouldn't repent, planning down to the last detail which sins they'd commit and which false gods they'd go whoring after, and he punished Israel. But of course there is scriptural support for such a capricious evil God. A classic example from the Bible is the Exodus myth and fable. The God character says "Let my people go" and the Pharaoh character says "Fine, I'll let them go". But the God character hardens Pharaoh's heart and makes him change his position so the God character sends a plague or kills all the first born or says "Who's up for gigin'?" That's what's so great about the Bible; you can support even the vile evil God Calvin marketed using scripture. Edited by jar, : fix sub-titleAnyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: There is really nothing arbitrary about a single thing in reality or in the Bible, it all follows laws. Even if God "hardened Pharoah's heart" Pharoah is acting according to his own character and motives, there is nothing artificial or unpredictable in his behavior.
Bullshit Faith. You are just like Ilya, the Greek prostitute telling Oedipus. You claim that you read the Bible but you don't. Instead you just make shit up and twist what is actually written to fit your fantasies. Pharaoh is most certainly acting according to his own character and motives until the God character steps in and "hardens" his heart. The God character in the story is just trying to show who has the biggest dick.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: The Bible is God's revelation of Himself as part of His plan of redemption, which is to overcome the effects of the Fall. One of those effects was that we "died" to God, lost our spiritual connection to Him and completely forgot Him, and all the nations of the world chose demon gods to rule over them, because those were accessible whereas the Creator God no longer was since Adam and Eve disobeyed and lost contact with Him. Read the Bible Faith and you will find that nothing in that assertion of yours is true. Neither Adam or Eve died spiritually or lost contact with God. You gotta stop making shit up and misrepresenting what the Bible says.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Sorry Faith but none of that is in the stories found in Genesis 2&3 or even 4.
Stop reading what the Carny Barkers tell you and actually read what is in the Bible Stories.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It's easy when take two fowl and take seven fowl are the same thing.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Faith writes: But if what you are saying is correct and Calvinists see it that way I'll have to find it out later, from those who have studied this more thoroughly. There is your problem Faith, and it is a nearly universal error in how you learn. Stop listening to sermons, reading the apologists or what people think. To learn about Calvinism read what Calvin actually wrote. To learn what the Bible says don't listen to sermons or read apologists, read what the Bible actually says, not what you know it really says but rather what is actually written. To know what Tacitus or Josephus said, don't believe the sermons or the apologist, read what Josephus and Tacitus actually wrote. Throw the sermons away. Throw the apologists away.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Faith writes: A good case could be made that you, for instance, went so far off the track from trusting your own reading of the Bible that you are now lost in deep jungle from which you may never return. Yet I post the actual passages for all to read instead of links to some sermon. Make the case if you can Faith but to learn you need to begin with the actual content and then test whatever you hear from so called pastors against what is actually written.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So what John Calvin wrote is wrong and not Calvinism.
Got it. Kinda like what is actually written in the Bible is not what the Bible says. Got it.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: That the names I listed are unknown to any Christians is astonishing to me, but at this point I'm not going to try to prove they shouldn't be. The original point was that I personally rely on them to represent Calvinism for me. And that is simply another example of the problem. You seem to accept what they say Calvinism is instead of checking what they say against what Calvin actually said. You do the same thing with the Bible, you do not test what the sermons you listen to say against what the Bible actually says. A great example was your claim that Revelation says that the serpent in Genesis 2&3 was Satan when that is not was Revelation actually says.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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