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Topic: Is Calvinism a form of Gnostic Christianity?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 84 of 405 (743216)
11-28-2014 11:16 AM
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Reply to: Message 83 by Faith
11-28-2014 6:47 AM
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Re: God is good; God is sovereign
Faith writes: The only problem I've had in this discussion is that sometimes Calvin seems to make it sound like God is responsible for sin, but scripture says He's not.
Or maybe Calvin understood scripture better than you do.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 127 of 405 (743373)
11-30-2014 1:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 121 by Faith
11-29-2014 2:33 PM
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Re: Arminian errors
Faith writes: The twin towers attack was absolutely God's judgment,. You are absolutely totally wrong about judgment. Jesus came to save and not judge INDIVIDUALS, but nations still come under judgment and this is well known.
How is the twin towers attack a judgement of the nation? I know the nation is shovelling its freedom out the window in favour of false security but that seems more like their own stupidity than God's judgement.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 130 of 405 (743380)
11-30-2014 2:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 128 by Faith
11-30-2014 1:57 PM
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Re: Arminian errors
Faith writes: Well, one of God's judgments of a nation is incompetent leaders.
George W. Bush. But he was democratically elected, after all, so maybe you're talking about a longer-term judgement - the Republican neo-conservatives.
Faith writes: I say the twin towers destruction was a warning....
So when you said it was "absolutely" a judgement, you were using the word "absolutely" in a typically loose way. 
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 132 of 405 (743383)
11-30-2014 2:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 131 by Faith
11-30-2014 2:09 PM
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Re: Arminian errors
Faith writes: No, even a warning is God's judgment....
I don't mind getting off with a warning.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 262 of 405 (744564)
12-12-2014 12:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 255 by Faith
12-11-2014 4:37 PM
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Re: No, not just big frogs in small pond
Faith writes: If Christians in general have never heard of Charles Spurgeon or Jonathan Edwards or John MacArthur, there is something very very wrong. These guys are bigger than big.
Actually, they're smaller than big. I've heard of Charles Spurgeon but Jonathan Edwards and John MacArthur are pretty common names and don't ring any bells.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 272 of 405 (744598)
12-13-2014 10:46 AM
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Reply to: Message 266 by Faith
12-12-2014 2:53 PM
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Re: No, not just big frogs in small pond
Faith writes: We need to read it ourselves and then were there are questions we need to rely on our pastors to answer them, or read the best commentators and theologians we can find to help us understand it.
If you don't trust yourself to understand the Bible (or Calvin), how can you trust yourself to choose the "best commentators"? You seem to be inviting an infinite regression of commentaries on commentaries on commentaries on commentaries. No wonder you're so out of touch with what the Bible actually says.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 266 by Faith, posted 12-12-2014 2:53 PM | | Faith has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 273 by Faith, posted 12-13-2014 10:53 AM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 276 of 405 (744603)
12-13-2014 11:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 273 by Faith
12-13-2014 10:53 AM
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Re: No, not just big frogs in small pond
Faith writes: ... I understand most of both without help. But there are places where both are difficult and raise questions. Commentators may address those questions.
Thanks for clarifying.
Faith writes: I can certainly understand when an explanation makes sense, and if two or three share that same view so much the better.
Yet you clearly don't understand a metaphor when you see it - e.g. a talking snake.
Faith writes: But Lone Ranger Bible readers allow themselves to take passages and apply them to themselves, take them out of context.
I agree that self-education can be a dangerous thing - for example when opining on science which you don't have the first clue about. I also agree that consensus is more likely to be correct than individual opinions (note that there is no consensus among creationists about anything).
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 273 by Faith, posted 12-13-2014 10:53 AM | | Faith has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 280 of 405 (744607)
12-13-2014 11:50 AM
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Reply to: Message 278 by Faith
12-13-2014 11:20 AM
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Re: No, not just big frogs in small pond
Faith writes: It would be nice if you would try to be fair about these things but I understand how very hard it is for those who identify with the Establishment status quo to be fair to opponents.
Have we met? I've taken enough anti-establishment positions on this site for you to know better than that.
Faith writes: We are supposed to be discussing Calvin and related issues, but you apparently feel some need to take a swipe at creationism though it's off topic here?
I was just pointing out that your inability to understand science is similar to your inability to understand the Bible and your inability to understand Calvin. It appears to be a systematic problem in the way you think. The details of what you think are not particularly relevant when you use such a poor method to get there.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 399 of 405 (825122)
12-08-2017 11:04 AM
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Reply to: Message 393 by Phat
12-08-2017 9:01 AM
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Re: The Whims Of God
Phat writes: And what it all boils down to is faith in humanity. I'm not convinced humanity will ever save itself.
It's about the journey, not the destination. We have to try to do what's right every step along the way, not just focus on "being saved" some day. Your attitude reminds me of those movies where a bunch of people race headlong for some prize, leaving a trail of destruction behind them. The movie of your life should not be a special-effects extravaganza. It should be a travelogue, where you enjoy the scenery as you go along - and maybe even help that guy lying in the ditch who fell among thieves.
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