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Author Topic:   Does the Book of Mormon contradict the Bible?
ochaye
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Message 11 of 352 (521222)
08-26-2009 2:28 PM
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04-13-2009 2:09 PM


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Message 12 of 352 (521226)
08-26-2009 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Michamus
04-13-2009 7:53 AM


If BoM does not contradict any Bible teaching, why not just make do with the Bible?
Why do people think they need another Scripture?
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Message 15 of 352 (521248)
08-26-2009 3:59 PM
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08-26-2009 2:54 PM


'The question is not "why bother with another text""'
It's my question. Maybe the OP will not find it awkward, and can answer it in a fashion that will be intellectually acceptable.

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Message 16 of 352 (521250)
08-26-2009 4:05 PM
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08-26-2009 2:41 PM


'An updated book with explanations and more recent revelations would be pretty handy, wouldn't they?'
It would if the Bible needs explanations, but people thought it did not do so long before there the BoM was written. In fact, just as soon as ordinary people were allowed to read the Bible, it was widely reckoned to be complete, and by the most learned people, too.

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Message 18 of 352 (521255)
08-26-2009 4:26 PM
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08-26-2009 4:19 PM


'True, but so the Jews believe about the Torah.'
Mormons think that Jews are wrong. Mormons need to explain why they think the Bible is insufficient.
If BoM does not contradict any Bible teaching, why do Mormons not just make do with the Bible?
Edited by ochaye, : No reason given.

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Message 22 of 352 (521262)
08-26-2009 4:43 PM
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08-26-2009 4:38 PM


'Why don't all Christians just make due with genesis?'
What do Christians have to do with anything?
Can Mormons answer a plain question about their own faith, that they promote at the expense of all others?
What is so hard about this?
If the BoM does not contradict any Bible teaching, why do Mormons not just make do with the Bible?

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Message 25 of 352 (521346)
08-27-2009 6:02 AM
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08-26-2009 9:46 PM


'Last time I checked, LDS Members are Christians.'
Ok then, why don't Mormon Christians just make do with Genesis?
Edited by ochaye, : No reason given.

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Message 27 of 352 (521386)
08-27-2009 9:52 AM
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08-27-2009 7:45 AM


'you can learn something new without contradicting something you learned before.'
Of course. But that statement makes an assumption, that itself may be a fatal one, that there is anything more to learn. Is there anything in the Bible that gives anyone that impression? Is there anything in the Bible that gives an impression that learning 'more' may indeed be fatal, because 'more' means less?

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Message 30 of 352 (521447)
08-27-2009 1:48 PM
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08-27-2009 1:13 PM


quote:
How do we know this book is accurate or correct?
That's a question for later, if necessary. The first relevant question is this:
Is there anything in the Bible that gives anyone the impression that there is more to learn?

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Message 32 of 352 (521454)
08-27-2009 2:12 PM
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08-27-2009 2:07 PM


Answer my question. If it's not too embarrassing.

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Message 34 of 352 (521462)
08-27-2009 2:31 PM
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08-27-2009 2:26 PM


'Ok, does the Bible say there will be more? No.'
Ok. Does it give any impression that there will be more?

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Message 36 of 352 (521471)
08-27-2009 2:57 PM
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08-27-2009 2:51 PM


'No. Why do you think it would?'
Because the OT gives the impression there will be more.

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Message 38 of 352 (521488)
08-27-2009 3:36 PM
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08-27-2009 3:26 PM


'It says there will be a Messiah.'
And that is precisely the person whom four gospellers and other followers, quoting the OT copiously, wrote about- according to some, of course.
'no where in the New Testament does it say that this is the end of the story.'
But does it give an indication that there is more to come?

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Message 40 of 352 (521501)
08-27-2009 3:59 PM
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08-27-2009 3:43 PM


'No it doesn't'
Ok. So, the Messiah, who was promised and prophesied in the OT, fulfilled the indication of the OT. There being no similar indications in the NT, the expectation is reasonably, on the assumption that God would use the same 'methodology' for further revelation, that there will be no further event to be expected that will necessitate recording of other revelation. If the divine rationale is that future events are to be pre-indicated, then one would expect nothing more of this nature. Is that fair comment?

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ochaye
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Message 42 of 352 (521507)
08-27-2009 4:20 PM
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08-27-2009 4:11 PM


quote:
1) It assumes God must always behave the same way.
He and his apostles say that he always behaves in the same way, so it somewhat casts doubt on one's project to suppose that he acts falsely.
quote:
2) It assumes the OT and the NT are self contained books as opposed to the compilations of many stories and books.
It takes into account the very obvious fact that the OT has no direct knowledge of the Messiah, whereas the NT is based upon the view that this knowledge has been made known.
quote:
3) It assumes you know what the Divine Rationale is.
That is a re-statement of 1).
Edited by ochaye, : No reason given.
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