The Barbarity of Christianity (as compared to Islam)

Well, of course Jesus was not a Christian.How could He be? If He followed Himself, He'd be chasing His tail.This thread is (supposed to be) about the "barbarity" of Christianity. The OP (which in my opinion is extremely thin) says:

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Jar wants an opportunity to prove that Christians are just as barbarous as Muslims.

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The assumption is that Islam is barbarous and the question is, "Does Christianity rise as high on the barbarity scale as Islam?"If anybody has a right to be offended, it is the Muslims.

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Well, different words have different meanings. The thread is about "barbarity", which may or may not include "violence" and/or "intolerance". You are the one who is equating "barbarity" with "evil" - nobody else is.But the topic here, if you'd care to address it at all, is comparing Christianity with Islam. Stop wasting time quibbling over words. What acts have Muslims done that Christians have never done?

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No.I'm only interested in discussing the topic: What, if anything, have Muslims done that Christians have not also done?

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If Christians have committed the same acts as Muslims, then they are the same. Scope is irrelevant. One murder is no less barbaric than mass-murder. Motive is irrelevant. One motive for murder is as barbaric as the next. It is not possible to determine the exact motivation for acts committed far in the past. Only the acts themselves are relevant to this discussion. You can't use the No-True-Christian fallacy or the No-True-Muslim fallacy to weasel out of the discussion. You seem to want to say that anybody who commits barbaric acts is No-True-Christian and anybody who doesn't commit barbaric acts is No-True-Muslim.For the purposes of this discussion, anybody who calls himself a Christian is a Christian and anybody who calls himself a Muslim is a Muslim.Start with some examples: What have Muslims done that you call "barbaric" that no Christian has ever done?Edited by Ringo, : Promoted "muslim" to "Muslim".

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We're trying to compare the two religions, in terms of barbarity. The only way to do that is to look at individual acts of barbarism by individual members of both religions. Then what scale do you use to measure barbarity? If a Christian murders one person, is that more acceptable than a Muslim murdering two?But it doesn't really matter. Use examples of either individual murders or mass maurders if you like. I doubt that the families of the victims would see much difference.But it doesn't really matter. Use only religiously-motivated examples if you like. As I suggested, without an infallible True-Christian detector and an infallible True-Muslim detector, we can't make much of a distinction. Courts determine guilt or innocence. They don't detect motive. That's the question that this thread aims to discuss. You can't just assert an answer and declare an end to it. Well, there hasn't been any response to the question yet. What examples do you have of barbaric acts committed by Muslims but not committed by Christians? Wrong, of course. You're talking about one group. We're trying to compare two groups - like comparing the barbarity of scientists to the barbarity of plumbers. "The" tenets of the religions are not carved in stone. Different Christians have different tenets and different Muslims have different tenets. It isn't possible to base barbarity on "the" tenets when "the" tenets don't exist.And as I said, the motivations for past acts can not be known, so they can add nothing to the discussion.Do you have some valid reason for not answering the question: What barbaric acts have Muslims committed that Christians have not also committed?"

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We're not talking about a particular group "engendering" barbarism. We're talking about a particular group engaging in barbarism. We're not just talking about what some Muslims are doing today. We're talking about what any group - say Christians - has ever done. You can't absolve Chtistianity of all barbaric acts just by saying they haven't done any in the past five minutes. It doesn't matter one bit who was implored or not implored to do what. It's only what they do do that counts.One more time: give us some examples of "barbaric" acts that Muslims have commited that Christians have not also commited. The longer you avoid doing so, the more it looks like you can't do it - the more it looks like there are none - the more it looks like there is no historical difference between Christians and Muslims.

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Do they care about gay people who want to get married? Do they care about children getting a useful education instead of creationist claptrap?If that's all the "experience" you have, you need to get out more.

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So I could show "caring" for a religious-right-winger by "helping" him to renounce his false religion and seeking therapy and help from God in becoming liberal or perhaps apolitical? It isn't about bringing up the "gay issue" with your friends. It's about oppressing all gay people by denying them the rights that everybody else enjoys. Are you still talking about the religious right? If so, they should be speaking out against the oppression espoused by their brethern.

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But that's exactly what the religious right is doing - not only denigrating the motives of those who disagree with them but actively campaigning to oppress gays, children, etc.

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Denying rights is not oppression? Forcing ignorance on children is not oppression? What definition of "oppression" are you using?

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The right of a person to marry the person of his or her choice is being denied. Good-hearted people are trying to remedy that situation, just as they tried to remedy the whites-only bathroom situation a few decades ago. The religious right is working hard to keep the discrimination entrenched.The religious right is also trying to deny children the right to a good education by forcing creationist drivel into the schools.

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Was Hitler a Muslim? Was Jeffrey Dahmer a Muslim? Was Timothy McVeigh a Muslim? Obviously not.

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No, we're not. Read the OP. We're talking about "the barbarity of Christianity" (as compared to Islam).

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Well, the topic here is Christians.Do you have anything to say about the topic?

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Same reason that Christian soldiers also read the Bible before going into battle - it comforts them.

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