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Author Topic:   Jehovas Witness Bible, any exclusive contradictions?
Neutralmind
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Message 1 of 64 (368397)
12-08-2006 9:14 AM


By exclusive I mean contradictions that are only in the Jehovas Witness version of the bible, not in the bible in general.
Just a few general points about the beliefs of JW's.
JW's don't take a stand on how old the universe is, the JW's I've met believe the universe to be billions of years old.
JW's don't take a stand as how the universe was created. So big bang theory is all good.
JW's don't take a stand on how old the earth is. But they do take the stand that Noah's flood must have happened recently (6000-10000years)
JW's don't believe in hell. After you die and if you've been too "naughty" you don't get ressurected to an infinite afterlife in paradise like the good people. You just die and will never feel a thing.
JW's believe that 144000 people go to heaven to rule by side with Jesus, to rule the people ressurected on paradise. That wouldn't be slavery but just making laws and things of guidance or such with jesus, to the people on the paradise.
The paradise is just an better earth for your knowledge...
JW's to my knowing do insist on biblical inerrancy.
I'd like this thread to be alike in substance to "What is the biggest bible contradiction" (http://EvC Forum: What is the biggest bible contradiction? -->EvC Forum: What is the biggest bible contradiction?) except this time concerning the Jehovas Witness edition of the bible.
I've been having a lot of fun (maybe even learned something) on the other thread, I hope here too.
I don't know that very much about JW's believes or the bible so be free to correct me.
Edited by Neutralmind, : No reason given.

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Neutralmind
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Message 9 of 64 (368614)
12-09-2006 5:22 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by anastasia
12-08-2006 12:56 PM


Anastasia
Jesus is at once a human who was created after angels, an angel who has no flesh, and 'a god'. Is He to be worshipped as a god?
JW's believe Jesus literally to be God's son. I don't know what contradictions arise from that though.
Anastasia
Obviously these contradictions were already noted, and the development of the doctrine of the Trinity was the only answer to the problem.
You do know JW's don't believe in the Trinity? Moreover they think it's just hogwash created by mainstream christians.

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Neutralmind
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Message 10 of 64 (368615)
12-09-2006 5:37 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Taz
12-08-2006 9:32 PM


gasby
never got the nerve to ask him about JW beliefs. How do JWs view masturbation?
I have a few JW's as friends. They have a very strict line of no masturbation (the bible uses a different word of course) and no premarital sex. No divorcing, with the exception of the other person going a stray.
And no gay relationships, which should be obvious even to the mainstream christians and to churches. There is a verse that goes something like " thou shalt not sleep with other men". I don't know where to pick up that line in it's original (bible) form.
Anyway, great story

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Neutralmind
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Message 18 of 64 (369068)
12-11-2006 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by anastasia
12-11-2006 11:28 AM


anastasia
Yes, I know this. The point I am making is that rather than be forced to accept what the text indicates they (wt, JW) are forcing the text to suit their views.
Could you tell me where in the bible it is said that there is the Trinity? Or is it just something about reading the text in context and comparing stuff to see that there has to be the Trinity for it to make sense?
If it's a dumb question just ignore it. I just haven't read the bible much.

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Neutralmind
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Message 22 of 64 (370160)
12-16-2006 6:48 AM


Thanks for all the replies so far, especially thanks to arachnophilia for some more in-depth replies.
My JW friend keeps on insisting that their version of the bible is the completely an unedited one. Is this true?
Many already replied saying JW's have edited the bible a lot but I'd like more clear examples of this.
I'm very close to start studying the JW's version of the bible seriously, but I wouldn't want to waste my time if there actually are some obvious mistranslations and purposeful editing to suit their views in the bible.

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Neutralmind
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Message 24 of 64 (370237)
12-16-2006 5:18 PM
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12-16-2006 4:42 PM


It's not that I'm "joining" JW's. It just seems it's the only religion worthwhile of studying about. No real contradictions have arose in this thread yet, and I'm a bit disappointed about that.
I may have to use my time to study if it all actually makes sense.

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Neutralmind
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Message 28 of 64 (373985)
01-03-2007 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Phat
01-03-2007 9:31 AM


Re: Phat Advice
Thanks for a good post. This subject is still a lot on my mind today.
When I was a part of a church, I wanted to believe that what they taught and did was as accurate and good as possible. Why? Because I wanted to belong. To belong to God along with my friends and brethren.
It's really not that I want to belong to a group and feel safe or such. I just want to know what is the truth. If I knew "the truth" my life would be a lot easier obviously.
I just don't want to use hours of study to something that can be falsified to begin with.
Don't get hung up on exclusivity. Focus on the friendships that you have and if you find that a group of friends wants to exclude you from other groups with different beliefs, beware.
With my friend of course we never "argue" (start yelling at each other ie.), we talk in a friendly fashion and usually I'm just asking questions about where JW stands for.
Also, most of the time we're just playing Mario Party and can't focus on anything serious

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Neutralmind
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Message 37 of 64 (386585)
02-22-2007 2:20 PM


Hi truthlover and equinox. Thanks for responding, this subject is still on the top of my head occasionally.
Unfortunately I don't have time to answer right now, but I've read all this and I think some interesting points were brought up. I'll reply as soon as I can.
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Neutralmind
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Message 43 of 64 (387290)
02-27-2007 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by truthlover
02-27-2007 12:26 PM


truthlover
"Clearly, although Jesus is mighty in power and divine in nature, the Bible does not portray him as an object of worship.
Though Jesus will rule people after the Harmageddon, being the "head guy" on administring divine laws at the new earth. Or whatever it's called..
So yeah, he's not an object of worship but an important figure to JW's none the less.
Edited by Neutralmind, : No reason given.

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