Mythology with real places & people

Google "Horus" for information. Don't trust any one link, read several.I could care less about a trinity. You can take ANY religion and name three people and call it a trinity. Zeus, Hera and Apollo - trinity. Demeter, Hades and Persephony - trinity.My POINT was and still is that Horus predates Jesus by centuries (up to 2000 years if you want to push the envelope) and virtually EVERYTHING in the Jesus myth is lifted from Horus' story.His Birth:
Born to Virgin Isis-MERI (Mary), in a humble cave, heralded by angels, marked with a star in the sky, witnessed by sheppards, visited by three wise men, hunted by Herot (Herod), born in late December.His Childhood:
Disappears between infancy and age 12 where he suddenly shows up to take part in a religious ceramony.His Adulthood:
Disappears between age 12 and age 30 where he suddenly shows up as a fully formed man. A man who walks on water, heals the sick, cures the blind, calms the seas, raises Al Asarus (Lazarus) from the dead in Beth-Anu (Bethany), is baptized in a river by a man who is later beheaded, is tempted in the desert when his arch rival takes him to the mountain top, delivers a sermon from a mountHis Death:
Cruxified with two theives, he's laid to rest in a tomb. He decends into Hell for three days, then is resurrected. His resurrected form is witnessed by women.His religion:
His symbols were the fish and the sheppards crook. He was known as the savior, the way, the light, the bread of life, the fisher, the sheppard.Does ANY of that sound familiar?Do you think that the Jews (Who LIVED IN EGYPT) managed to hear something about the Egyptian religion at some point?Christians were trying to establish a new sect. The way they did it was to take an existing religion and rebrand it.This is how we get the Catholic Saints in voodoo. This is why we have a giant magical bunny on Easter. This is why we cut down a tree and put it in our house to celebrate Christmas.To claim that the story of Jesus as found in the gospels is real and to ignore the story of Horus which predates it by 1,000+ years is more than ignorant, it's willfully blind.If you accept Jesus as being 100% real, then you must also accept Horus as being 100% real which in turn means that there is more than one "God".

Thank you for the exchange nuggin.
Hope things are good with you ... This is a debate forum; the burden of proof remains on you to support your claims with scholarly materials, or at least something of that nature. 'Check Google' doesn't work 'roun here that often as you likely know ...Perhaps you're a bigger conspiracy nut than onifre (or myself) - lol. I really don't take issue with your theory either way, but it seems good for us to at least consider that, whether BC/AD or BCE/CE or whatever else people dream up next, such identifications may continue on as merely euphemisms, concealing various poli-religious implications until the actual source of contention is modified.Help me gain a better persective of your view ...Are you sayin' that, way back in 525 CE, a master conspiracy continued an attempt to devise itself by setting out on a quest to immobilise the whole of mankind under a new numbering system, now commonly known as the Common Era, Christian Era or Current Era, based on an entirely fictitious character, just 'cause some pious Scythian monk that weilded a wicked imagination did not wish to continue the mildew'd memory of a tyrant who venemously murdered and persecuted any and all adherents to a specific sect of Judaism - based around a supposed imaginary Hebrew prophet - that had collectively come to be known as 'christians'; and so, the confused and silly Scythians decided to, on a whim, monkify a new column to the Easter table in which the new era 'Anni Domini Nostri Jesu Christi' was introduced, and then, with balls of brass, continued their lil' hijinks that would eventually, along with the latter discovered continents of the Western hemisphere, delude the whole of Western Europe from no later than 1422 CE until - perhaps - even our present day in age ?I mean, if so - that's remarkable; them dirty Scythian sonsa bitches had quite the imaginations ...One LoveEdited by Bailey, : grammar

I assume you mean the calendar.Clearly the calendar is not the work of one mastermind. "Sun"day, "Moon"day, "Saturn"day in a calenday with "July"ious and "August"us Ceasar, using days and weeks based on hours and minutes devised by the Babylonian's base 12 system, organized into "Moon"ths of differing lengths even though the moons cycle is not alternately 28, 30 or 31 days long...Clearly it's all a mess.AND, it's not the only calendar still in use. The Jews and the Chinese are still working off a different calendar.The AD/BC bit was how we went from Year 247 to Year 532.It's all a great big mess, and it won't get sorted out until we start using Stardates

Sunday school never did go into too many details.The letter of 'Romans' opens with the address:
"Paul, a slave of Jesus Christ and called to be an apostle....to all those who are in Rome as Gods beloved ones"1Corintians opens with:
"Paul, called to be an apostle of jesus through Gods will and Sosthenes our brother, to the congregation in Corinth"the letter of 2 corinthians opens with:
"Paul, an apostle of Christ...to the congregation in corinth and to the holy ones in all of Achaia"The letter to the Galatians opens with:
"Paul, an apostle...through Christ and God the Father...to the congregation in Galatia"the letter to the Ephesians opnes with:
"Paul, an apostle...to the holy ones who are in Ephesus"the letter to the Phillipian congregation opens with:
"Paul and Timothy, slaves of Christ, to all the holy ones in Philipi"the letter to the colossians opens with
"Paul...to the holy ones in union with Christ in Colossae"the first letter to the Thessalonians:
"Paul and Silvanus and Timothy to the congregation of the Thessalonians"the first letter to Timothy opens with:
"Paul an apostle of Christ under command of God...to Timothy"The letter of James begins:
"James, a slave of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes scattered about"The letter of 1st Peter:
"Peter an apostle of Jesus christ to the temporary residents in..."the 2nd letter of Peter:
"Simon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ to those who have obtained a faith"the letter of Jude:
"Jude a slave of Jesus but a brother of James to the called ones"the Revelation's opening address reads:
"A revelation by Jesus Christ...presented in signs to his slave John"

Santa Clause, a servant of The Flying Spaghetti Monster, has this to say:Do you see what I'm getting at?

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yes of coursehowever, his words and prophecy's make those miracles all the more believable.

No i dont.Brian stated that I am ignorant because NO new testament book names an author.It seems i'm not so ignorant. Perhaps he believes that because a bible critic has said so...its easy to be fooled by a bible critic with a PHD after his initials. That doesnt make them intelligent.

I'm beginning to agree with Nuggin, your debating tactics are extremely annnoying and really do bring a question mark to your character.I stated the FACT that ALL of the GOSPELS are anonymous works and you proceed to trot out introductions to books that are not Gospels!!I mean, why do that, what was your point?Do you think that typing out that Paul is mentioned in the intro to Romans that somehow this means that 'Matthew' wrote gMatt, or 'Mark' wrote gMark?Does this mean that you agree that the Gospels are anonymous non-contemporary works? I have no idea of knowing what your opinion of the point that I made is.As for Sunday School not going into too many details, it wouldn't have to, the evidence for anonymity is in the title of each Gospel.Tell you something, no wonder this Christianity lark has lasted so long, its followers are mindless robots.I just keep coming back to the fact that you really don't care much about the truth, you have your conclusion already and nothing is ever going to change your mind. I realise we are all different, but I just see this as a very sad waste of life. Not the fact that you call yourself a Christian, but the fact that you really dont care to find out about the world the Bible was written in, you don't care about history or textual criticism, or any other approach that would deepen your knowledge of the Bible.Everytime you post about the accuracy of the Bible you only succeed in reminding people how little you know about the subject.Are you genuinely not interested?

You can see why Nuggin said this though, he knows that spending 30-40 mins typing up and referencing materials to present to Peg is 30-40 mins of his life wasted. He knows that Peg would ignore almost everything he posted, so I think he is quite right on this occasion to ask her to do some work. Your point is valid if Nuggin as having a debate but he isn’t. Perhaps more interesting is the fact that the BC/AD is based on the wrong year. Imagine these great wise men get Jesus’ year of birth incorrect.

Don't think she could have picked a poorer example!About 3 months ago I did have a student who trotted out the 'there's more evidence for Jesus than there is for Julius Caesar' garbage. I asked where she picked this up from and she said it was at her Church and her mum and dad confirmed it! As I have to remain impartial, I could only tell her to investigate this claim for herself.I don't know if Churches are deliberatly lying to their members or if the leaders of the Churches are genuinely ignorant, but it seems that this tide of lies is never going to wane.

Your evidence for these claims is what?I have never been convinced of Saul's persecution of Christians, it has never been supported at all, and contradicts what we know regarding Pax Romana.So, what is your evidence that Saul was persecuting Christians, and he was responsible for the jailing of many Christians?BTW, any luck with the name of any of the hordes of scholars who rejected Pilate as a historical character?

No he didn't. He said the GOSPELS were anonymous works. They are. You even quoted him saying that. Irony, I love it.

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Ah yes my mistake, you did say gospels, my apologies.While its true that the gospels dont have the authors named therein, the early church was not in doubt as to who the writers were. There is also internal evidence in the writings themselves that show who authored the gospels.for example, the writer of the book of Acts was also the writer of the Gospel of Luke. In the Muratorian Fragment (2nd century) attributes Luke to the authorship. Also the writings of Irenaeus of Lyons, Clement of Alexandria, and Tertullian of Carthage all 2nd century, cite luke as the writer when quoting from it.But seeing the gospels are about Jesus and not about those who wrote them, what does it matter that they did not sign their name to it? And how does it change the importance of the content to christians?

Hi Peg,Thanks for the apology, I appreciate it.I am going out for the rest of the day, but will post tomorrow because you keep doing things like this: the early church was not in doubt as to who the writers were. This has got to be another kneejerk reaction Peg because you could not be further from the truth of the situation.

Pauls own words to the congregations. Im sure you are aware of his letter to the galatian congregation where he wrote:

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Galatians 1:13YOU, of course, heard about my conduct formerly in Judaism, that to the point of excess I kept on persecuting the congregation of God and devastating it, 14and I was making greater progress in Judaism than many of my own age in my race, as I was far more zealous for the traditions of my fathers.

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