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Author Topic:   Origins of the Judeo-Christian god and religion
macaroniandcheese 
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Message 106 of 282 (309118)
05-04-2006 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Faith
05-03-2006 12:07 PM


Re: God's writing in Nature
quote:
Psalm 19
The Perfect Revelation of the Lord
To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David.
The heavens declare the glory of God;
And the firmament shows His handiwork.
2 Day unto day utters speech,
And night unto night reveals knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language
Where their voice is not heard.
4 Their *line has gone out through all the earth,
And their words to the end of the world.
In them He has set a tabernacle for the sun,
5 Which is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber,
And rejoices like a strong man to run its race.
6 Its rising is from one end of heaven,
And its circuit to the other end;
And there is nothing hidden from its heat.
7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul;
The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple;
8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart;
The commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes;
9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring forever;
The judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.
10 More to be desired are they than gold,
Yea, than much fine gold;
Sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
11 Moreover by them Your servant is warned,
And in keeping them there is great reward.
12 Who can understand his errors?
Cleanse me from secret faults.
13 Keep back Your servant also from presumptuous sins;
Let them not have dominion over me.
Then I shall be blameless,
And I shall be innocent of great transgression.
14 Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart
Be acceptable in Your sight,
O Lord, my strength and my Redeemer.

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Message 108 of 282 (309127)
05-04-2006 5:07 PM
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05-04-2006 4:50 PM


Re: Reading God's writing in Nature
the word says we can see god in nature and easily so without the word itself. if jesus was the breath of creation, then he is in it. immaterial of your opinions, the word suggests that simply that breath of creation is sufficient to speak of god. verily, it sings. just because the people you know have all been exposed to christianity, means nothing.

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Message 112 of 282 (309134)
05-04-2006 5:20 PM
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05-04-2006 5:15 PM


Re: Reading God's writing in Nature
i said it was sufficient. i didn't say it was all convincing. if the book is so great, then why are there still atheists?

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Message 115 of 282 (309139)
05-04-2006 5:27 PM
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05-04-2006 5:24 PM


Re: Reading God's writing in Nature
if the book requires supernatural aid, then i imagine nature can demand the same. but i think the likelihood is that there are plenty of natural converts. they just don't agree with you so they aren't "real."
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Message 165 of 282 (309241)
05-04-2006 10:39 PM
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05-04-2006 8:02 PM


Re: henotheism?
you are misunderstanding what henotheism is. it does not include the worship of other deities, simply the knowledge that other gods may exist but you only worship yours. this is very obvious in the treatment of god as a regional deity (see the movement of israeli soil in order to worship god in a foreign land) in parts of the old testament. the biggest point here is that judaism is an evolving religion like all evolving religions. it began polytheistic then ditched the rest. it's very simple really.

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Message 198 of 282 (309520)
05-05-2006 9:52 PM
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05-05-2006 9:45 PM


Re: The revisionist pattern
why is it so difficult to imagine a man inventing the personality of a god? we invent the personalities of all kinds of book characters. the god of the bible is little more in the written sense.

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Message 217 of 282 (309556)
05-06-2006 12:23 AM
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05-05-2006 9:58 PM


Re: The revisionist pattern
you only say that because he's yours. so many say that about theirs. and they are all right. in their own minds. but you can't build a house on shifting sand. and you can't build a house out of paper and ink.

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