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sidelined
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Message 186 of 313 (382350)
02-04-2007 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by Rob
02-04-2007 12:30 PM


Re: Verifiable religions
Rob
Did you know that if you turn up the heat slowly, a frog will let you boil him...
Sorry Rob. This is merely an urban legend.To the contrary tests have been done to determine such responses in animals and the results are that they do respond to the increase in heat.
The urban legend is merely used as metaphor to express the view that we ignore gradual changes ,sometimes until it is too late.
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sidelined
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Message 190 of 313 (382357)
02-04-2007 1:03 PM
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02-04-2007 12:59 PM


Re: Verifiable religions
Rob
I agree! Like sin becoming more and more accepted... and justified... and tolerated... until it's too late?
How about opening a thread on this Rob? We can then argue that point together.

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Message 274 of 313 (383044)
02-06-2007 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Open MInd
01-26-2007 10:55 AM


Open Mind
Since the concept of a creator is not scientific, it follows that science must exclude a supernatural creator from any of its components. What we have is a subject matter that tries to describe the world without a creator. Without using the concept of a creator or any religous principles, science seeks to explain the entire world.
Science does not seek to explain the entire world. Science only tries to explain what we can say about the world. Science has no a priori assumption that the world can be explained in its entirety.
It is not that science excludes a creator. The nature of a creator has never been able to be verified by science and since there is no evidence of a phenomena to support a creator the default position must need be that the world operates just as if there were no creator.
Obviously, if science seeks to formulate laws upon which the world is run on a daily basis down to the atomic level, where can religion fit in? Where does this supreme being assert his control?
It could be that there is no creator to begin with. It may be that religion has had it place, its time in the sun,as an organizing method that kept societies in check when tribes were the social structure in the world. Perhaps the idea of a creator was to help explain the things that made us fearful and as our societies grow more knowledgeable it maybe that we are coming to the realization that the creator was just an extension of ourselves.
Because science must explain the entire world and its origin without using any religous factors and rather using formulated "Laws of Nature", science is its own religion.
What tripe! You claim that science is then a religion because it can explain things? Science does not have to explain the whole world without religious "factors", {whatever those are} it simply does what it can to explain that which is observed. It is a model constructed whose pieces fall into place only gradually and with much work. The way in which it advances is by using the knowledge it gains to guess at new phenomena that could be found in nature if the madel is consistent with the world we investigate.
Religion wishes it could be as verifiable and explanatory.

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